NEMESIS: SUB-TERRA [Alton 2012]
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Except, it really doesn't fit in with the military concept.
Shipping containers are industrial things, used for industry. The only time they've been appropiate was Saw.
Military camps, like they'd be fighting the Nemesis out of, are always huge tent based affairs, because they have to be easy to move. Large, steel boxes don't fit in with the military idea at all.
That doesn't say military to me, it says building site. Maybe shipping yard. A cardboard box factory.
Except, it really doesn't fit in with the military concept.
Shipping containers are industrial things, used for industry. The only time they've been appropiate was Saw.
Military camps, like they'd be fighting the Nemesis out of, are always huge tent based affairs, because they have to be easy to move. Large, steel boxes don't fit in with the military idea at all.
That doesn't say military to me, it says building site. Maybe shipping yard. A cardboard box factory.
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
^They may well be very good items for certain applications, like shipping, storage, or an alternative to a temporary cabin.
They're just a bit **** when Merlin is using them as a cheap "building" and calling them "theming" instead.
It's basically this:
^They may well be very good items for certain applications, like shipping, storage, or an alternative to a temporary cabin.
They're just a bit **** when Merlin is using them as a cheap "building" and calling them "theming" instead.
It's basically this:
T0M
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Ultimately they are an instant, sturdy-walled room. It's only the poor efforts of theming that make them ****. You could easily cover them with wood, plaster, faux-rock or anything. Thirteen's completely overtaken by ivy and vines would be awesome.
Ultimately they are an instant, sturdy-walled room. It's only the poor efforts of theming that make them ****. You could easily cover them with wood, plaster, faux-rock or anything. Thirteen's completely overtaken by ivy and vines would be awesome.
DDF14
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
They were done by an enthusiast username BOZ on TT. They are not official.
It is a great piece of work though well done to him..
I think the building fits the concept correctly you wouldnt build and cover mechanical lifts to explore catacombs with a tent now would you.. I would strongly agree though that the colours could be more fitting with the rest of FV.. I think it looks functional. But I think I will wait to find out what the real narrative and story of the ride is before I question the building on its looks over its function.
I can really appreciate both arguments for the building and the shipping containers. I would imagine though that the budget for this ride is constrained by the fact of there being 2 SW projects either side of it. Tom G is bang on when he talks of them being sturdy structures that could be made to look like something else with some nice themeing touches but also when your creating an Industrial / Military installation I think the shipping containers in this case work.
But lets face it , its all about escapism and creating a different world its all open to interpretation there is no wrong or right...
The most interesting thing about this ride is the story and narrative it could take on within the Nemesis theme / world created through the comic and archive material..
They were done by an enthusiast username BOZ on TT. They are not official.
It is a great piece of work though well done to him..
I think the building fits the concept correctly you wouldnt build and cover mechanical lifts to explore catacombs with a tent now would you.. I would strongly agree though that the colours could be more fitting with the rest of FV.. I think it looks functional. But I think I will wait to find out what the real narrative and story of the ride is before I question the building on its looks over its function.
I can really appreciate both arguments for the building and the shipping containers. I would imagine though that the budget for this ride is constrained by the fact of there being 2 SW projects either side of it. Tom G is bang on when he talks of them being sturdy structures that could be made to look like something else with some nice themeing touches but also when your creating an Industrial / Military installation I think the shipping containers in this case work.
But lets face it , its all about escapism and creating a different world its all open to interpretation there is no wrong or right...
The most interesting thing about this ride is the story and narrative it could take on within the Nemesis theme / world created through the comic and archive material..
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Except you would. The key to those sort of projects is speed. Why would you BOTHER building a metal box around it, when the canvas could be up 10 times quicker and does the job? Think about when you've seen it in films (I'm thinking Evolution and Thor), it's always a huge, canvas building.
No, when trying to represent something which has basis in real life, your intepretation in an artistic medium CAN be wrong and mis-representitive. And the art can suffer because of this. Gladiator springs to mind here.
It's not real anyway then, so it doesn't matter. But if the real one looks like that, it'll be incredibly gross.
DDF14 said:
Except you would. The key to those sort of projects is speed. Why would you BOTHER building a metal box around it, when the canvas could be up 10 times quicker and does the job? Think about when you've seen it in films (I'm thinking Evolution and Thor), it's always a huge, canvas building.
No, when trying to represent something which has basis in real life, your intepretation in an artistic medium CAN be wrong and mis-representitive. And the art can suffer because of this. Gladiator springs to mind here.
It's not real anyway then, so it doesn't matter. But if the real one looks like that, it'll be incredibly gross.
rollermonkey
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Ben, entire military bases in the Middle East were built from shipping containers.
It's quick, cheap and more durable than tents.
They suck to live in just as much, though.
Ben, entire military bases in the Middle East were built from shipping containers.
It's quick, cheap and more durable than tents.
They suck to live in just as much, though.
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
I dunno, google image it and you get stuff like...
And Wikipedia pages that say...
"A military camp or bivouac is a semi-permanent facility for the lodging of an army. Camps are erected when a military force travels away from a major installation or fort during training or operations, and often have the form of large campsites"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_camp
Of course, Staffordshire (and Forbidden Valley and the Nemesis story DOES take place in Alton itself, remember) isn't in the Middle East. And, if you google "British Military camp in UK" you get, as the first result...
Those aren't shipping containers. I'd suggest that maybe shipping containers are used once or twice, but, they're mostly camps. Even if they're not, when it comes to creating a theme, you should work with the common image, and that, in film, TV, books, everything, is of a military camp being... a camp.
In line with the theme, HOWEVER, we aren't talking about what a normal military camp would be, that's side-tracking the discusiion.
We're talking about how the military would quickly cover up a hole that's appeared in the ground.
They wouldn't cover it with a shipping container because a shipping container is a solid object, with a floor. What use is putting a floor over the hole you want to get to going to do you?
Therefore, it's a stupid theme. A stupid theme that isn't even REAL because some kid drew it up. So...?
I dunno, google image it and you get stuff like...
And Wikipedia pages that say...
"A military camp or bivouac is a semi-permanent facility for the lodging of an army. Camps are erected when a military force travels away from a major installation or fort during training or operations, and often have the form of large campsites"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_camp
Of course, Staffordshire (and Forbidden Valley and the Nemesis story DOES take place in Alton itself, remember) isn't in the Middle East. And, if you google "British Military camp in UK" you get, as the first result...
Those aren't shipping containers. I'd suggest that maybe shipping containers are used once or twice, but, they're mostly camps. Even if they're not, when it comes to creating a theme, you should work with the common image, and that, in film, TV, books, everything, is of a military camp being... a camp.
In line with the theme, HOWEVER, we aren't talking about what a normal military camp would be, that's side-tracking the discusiion.
We're talking about how the military would quickly cover up a hole that's appeared in the ground.
They wouldn't cover it with a shipping container because a shipping container is a solid object, with a floor. What use is putting a floor over the hole you want to get to going to do you?
Therefore, it's a stupid theme. A stupid theme that isn't even REAL because some kid drew it up. So...?
blivvies biggest fan
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Is that really a big problem? What I'm interested in is the length of drop, seems awfully short unless it's a multi drop like ToT.
Is that really a big problem? What I'm interested in is the length of drop, seems awfully short unless it's a multi drop like ToT.
Gazza
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Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
Perhaps they discovered something in the ground, would have put up a tent over it initially, realised "**** this is big, we're here for the long haul and we'll need better facilities", and then set about putting a permanent shed/facility over the top. (Going deeper, but perhaps if the thing discovered needs containment it needs a more sturdy building, much like Raptor at Gardaland)
Imagine the building like places where they discover dinosaur tracks and put a shed/museum over the top to preserve them:
Or certain other famous stuff unearthed....
Also in the first pic you posted aboce I can see 3 containers anyway.
Besides, the actual thing underground isn't actually in a container, that's what the big shed is for. I think the containers are just there as axillary stuff that has been set up on site (Perhaps they bought in special equipment to deal with the underground finding via container, and then have left them on site?
Plus a tent would look **** anyway.
They also wouldn't use a roller coaster structure to 'pin it down', as the story of nemesis goes. That would take several months to do
Perhaps they discovered something in the ground, would have put up a tent over it initially, realised "**** this is big, we're here for the long haul and we'll need better facilities", and then set about putting a permanent shed/facility over the top. (Going deeper, but perhaps if the thing discovered needs containment it needs a more sturdy building, much like Raptor at Gardaland)
Imagine the building like places where they discover dinosaur tracks and put a shed/museum over the top to preserve them:
Or certain other famous stuff unearthed....
Also in the first pic you posted aboce I can see 3 containers anyway.
Besides, the actual thing underground isn't actually in a container, that's what the big shed is for. I think the containers are just there as axillary stuff that has been set up on site (Perhaps they bought in special equipment to deal with the underground finding via container, and then have left them on site?
Plus a tent would look **** anyway.
Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012
^Well actually he makes a pretty good point. If you actually look at your first picture there are actually shipping containers that the army use. They use them for transporting stuff as, you know, that's what they're designed for. They'll use them as supply/storage areas when they've set the bases up. Like Gazza said, when they've decided to make a permanent structure they use a big roller/shutter/hanger type structure.
If you look at the images of the Alton site, they're going down that route. Using the big central structure as a main containment area, then using the shipping crates to keep as the temporary storage places. I don't really think he was being that unreasonable actually. There's a difference between an "Area 51"-style army base, and a military outpost like you've found examples of.
Also, you're second picture isn't in the UK.
^Well actually he makes a pretty good point. If you actually look at your first picture there are actually shipping containers that the army use. They use them for transporting stuff as, you know, that's what they're designed for. They'll use them as supply/storage areas when they've set the bases up. Like Gazza said, when they've decided to make a permanent structure they use a big roller/shutter/hanger type structure.
If you look at the images of the Alton site, they're going down that route. Using the big central structure as a main containment area, then using the shipping crates to keep as the temporary storage places. I don't really think he was being that unreasonable actually. There's a difference between an "Area 51"-style army base, and a military outpost like you've found examples of.
Also, you're second picture isn't in the UK.