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Submission and Enterprise to close?

Just by taking a quick look at google maps, closing off the two rides does indeed make sense.

X Sector on Google Maps

Access to the area will come from behind Submission, and closing off the two rides means that most of the X sector can be sectioned off for construction work.

The reason Oblivion can stay open is because the entrance is quite a distance from construction traffic, and even though the ride passes behind both the flats, public access is not needed in those areas of oblivion, whereas it would if the two rides remained open.
 
Alton towers did comment on someones post on their facebook wall saying...
"By closing the two rides, it will make it much easier to take parks too and from the SW7 site".

I still don't see why they need to close them for the whole of the 2012 season though.
 
owenrita121 said:
I personly think that their Idiots.
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Oh, the irony: three mistakes in a simple, six-word sentence trying to lambast a multi-million pound company on their level of intelligence.

And yeah, KFC is going. Boo hoo.

Sorry, but anyone who is upset over a **** ing fast food restaurant going must be abusing their annual pass to the point of actual insanity if it's got to the stage where a change in the provider of fried chicken is going to ruin their day.
 
gavin said:
owenrita121 said:
I personly think that their Idiots.
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Oh, the irony: three mistakes in a simple, six-word sentence trying to lambast a multi-million pound company on their level of intelligence.
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You expected something different from the member in question?! ;)

To be honest, I don't care, I never rode them anyway!
 
I think it is a poor move by Towers and the ''official'' reason is a cover up for cost cutting in my opinion, there is no reason at all why those two rides should be shut all season and if it has anything to do with the removal of the Black Hole tent, that should of been taken care of before the start of the new season.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of the SBNO rides are opened in 2013 and advertised as ''new rides''.
 
Crazycoaster said:
Just by taking a quick look at google maps, closing off the two rides does indeed make sense.

X Sector on Google Maps

Access to the area will come from behind Submission, and closing off the two rides means that most of the X sector can be sectioned off for construction work.

The reason Oblivion can stay open is because the entrance is quite a distance from construction traffic, and even though the ride passes behind both the flats, public access is not needed in those areas of oblivion, whereas it would if the two rides remained open.
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Now it makes perfect sense, thanks for that!
 
Crazycoaster said:
Just by taking a quick look at google maps, closing off the two rides does indeed make sense.

X Sector on Google Maps

Access to the area will come from behind Submission, and closing off the two rides means that most of the X sector can be sectioned off for construction work.

The reason Oblivion can stay open is because the entrance is quite a distance from construction traffic, and even though the ride passes behind both the flats, public access is not needed in those areas of oblivion, whereas it would if the two rides remained open.
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You beat me to the punch.

You have summed it up in a nutshell. Access to the two rides once construction has started (and that includes ground works) is going to be practically impossible. Not to mention that the moving plant and workers will all be in close proximity of the rides. I personally wouldn't want to be on a ride if a crane or tele handler was moving something over or very near to it.

As for it being closed all season, I guess it's fairly reasonable. They will have to remove the tent and start grading and profiling the land in preparation for the building, footers and track.
 
collins said:
Access to the two rides once construction has started (and that includes ground works) is going to be practically impossible.
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No it's not. It's not going to be a constant stream of vehicles going through X Sector... There'll be a digger or two during the season. Oooohhh...

Not to mention that the moving plant and workers will all be in close proximity of the rides. I personally wouldn't want to be on a ride if a crane or tele handler was moving something over or very near to it.
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I hope you're not going on Oblivion?

As for it being closed all season, I guess it's fairly reasonable. They will have to remove the tent and start grading and profiling the land in preparation for the building, footers and track.
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Yep. All things they could easily do with the rides open. Or, if they weren't doing it for financial reasons, they would have done more this off-season, like Bicko said.

They're just using it as an excuse, it's clear.
 
owenrita121 said:
Alton towers did comment on someones post on their facebook wall saying...
"By closing the two rides, it will make it much easier to take parks too and from the SW7 site".
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Can you show us where they say that? I can't find it, but would love to see official confirmation they're calling it SW7.

The nearest I can find is this:
"Whilst the footprint of the proposed new ride for 2013 does not incorporate the existing attractions – Enterprise and Submission – the building and development process will be substantially simplified by closing these two rides during the 2012 season to allow ground works to commence out of the public area"
http://www.facebook.com/altontowersreso ... 7110686201
 
Maybe they are being closed to reduce the noise being produced in the area from the construction?
 
I think they're accessing the site from under Oblivion's brake run and across to the bottom of the Black Hole area. So obviously the two rides will need to be down as they move site traffic in and out - if that's the way they're accessing the site, then it's clearly not a money saving exercise.

As Collins said, the ground works are going to take a substantial amount of time. Show me a coaster that is opening this year where the first ground works started at the end of the season (November). They all start roughly mid season (or earlier). Hell, Corkscrew went about 16 months before Thirteen opened, it's not unprecedented for this kind of thing to happen.

so if that's how they're getting to the site, across the bottom of X-Sector then it's entirely reasonable. If they're sneaking around the back, then it isn't.
 
Ben said:
No it's not. It's not going to be a constant stream of vehicles going through X Sector... There'll be a digger or two during the season. Oooohhh...
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Yes there will only be a few moving plant, but they will be going on and off site constantly whilst construction is underway. There is not enough room to fit all materials and waste on the site of the coaster. Therefore they will be going in and out of x sector quite frequently. As Furie said, access will most likely be under oblivions break run, completely blocking access to enterprise and possibly submission.

I hope you're not going on Oblivion?
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The only place I can see where it would effect oblivion is if they do access under its brake run, and if anything was to get in its way they would close the ride temporarily for safety reasons. Apart from that, i would think plant on the site would not be a problem for it.

Or, if they weren't doing it for financial reasons, they would have done more this off-season, like Bicko said.

They're just using it as an excuse, it's clear.
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I really don't see it as a clear excuse. Makes reasonable sense.
If they access it from another position, and the site doesn't get within the close vicinity of submission and enterprise then I will happily agree with you. At the minute though, i believe it has good reasoning.
 
Can you remember when they were building Rita and they kept Corkscrew open? It was like walking through a building site, walking in between temp fencing and on dirt while they were constructing Rita. That would've surley been a lot easier if they had closed Corkscrew.

I know Submission and Enterprise aren't as large attractions as what Corkscrew was, but if they went through that extent to keep Corkscrew open, it must be REALLY inconvenient for them to close these two.

Like furie said, that access road comes under Oblivion's break run and, if say going towards the Black Hole, would cut off Submission and Enterprise. I know there won't be a constant run of traffic, but frankly, for those two flats, it's not worth it really.
 
I doubt that Subs will return in the future, since it's slowly dying. Only one arm is currently operable, since spare parts are hard to come by/expensive/take too long to get made and shipped.

Ents is like a cockroach. It'll be around forever.
 
I can still remember when Submission was first opened. There was a huge TV advertising push for it (around here anyway), not far off what they did with Nemesis and Oblivion.

It seems ridiculous when you look at that heap o' s**t now. So yeah, overselling crap has been happening at the Towers long before Th13teen.

Anyway, they should get rid of it if it's actually costing them any money at this point (do we actually know?). Enterprise is unlikely to go anywhere though. As far as I'm aware they're very reliable, cheap to run and maintain rides.
 
gavin said:
I can still remember when Submission was first opened. There was a huge TV advertising push for it (around here anyway), not far off what they did with Nemesis and Oblivion.

It seems ridiculous when you look at that heap o' s**t now. So yeah, overselling crap has been happening at the Towers long before Th13teen.

Anyway, they should get rid of it if it's actually costing them any money at this point (do we actually know?). Enterprise is unlikely to go anywhere though. As far as I'm aware they're very reliable, cheap to run and maintain rides.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Enterprise could probably survive a nuclear blast. Submission has been having trouble recently, since Chance don't manufacture spare parts any more. Parts are expensive, and take a long time to arrive.
 
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