Rita vs. Stealth

[Almost]

Oh, and it's still smooth unlike KingdaKrap.

Oh...where did you ride? The front or the back?


Oh? You didn't ride it at all? Shut the **** up.

 

[The Undead Creature]

Stealth is, and always was, 1.9 seconds.
However, it is nowere near the fastest accelerating accelerator.

 

[Ben]

Stealth doesn't have any neck banging because it doesn't do anything.

Know what else doesn't have any neck banging? Stitch's Great Escape in WDW's Magic Kingdom.

And Stealth still manages to hurt without head-bashing. First it breaks your back as you pull-up, and then it's just horrible having brakes on a hill, you just slam into the restraints, cutting you.

Stealth has always hurt me more then Rita.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Oh, and it's still smooth unlike KingdaKrap.

Oh...where did you ride? The front or the back?


Oh? You didn't ride it at all? Shut the <img src="http://www.coasterforce.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_censored.gif" alt="Censored" /> up.

Nice mature comment there. :roll:

Lighten up, it's called humour.

 

[Almost]

Nice mature comment there. :roll:

Lighten up, it's called humour.

Wasn't it? As mature as Kingda Krap.


No, it wasn't funny. Even remotely.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Your response was so incredibly lame and fanboyish it was quite disgusting.

I refer to Colossus as Colossucks and Inferno as Nemesis Inferior all the time... And I'm not the only one who gives coasters insulting pet names. You wouldn't jump on my arse about them.

I'm sorry if you thought it was to be taken any differently to how i intended, but why are you so defencive over a coaster? :roll:

 

[Lain]

I smell like donkey poo.

Anyway...

I was always skeptical about my preference of Stealth, because I had never ridden Rita in the front.

However, yesterday, I did.

It was quite possibly the worst ride I've ever had on Rita.

The airtime was minimal at best. There could've been a nice amount on the short hill into the brakes, but the brakes kill it even more than they do on Stealth. In addition to this, there was loads of neck banging. It was a lot more painful than Corkscrew, which I rode not 5 minutes later, in the back seat.

Conclusion: Rita is crap.

(And so is Kingda Ka).

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Alright, as far as I'm aware Kingda Ka really has no place in this topic anyway.

Also, it's not rough, especially not in the front, and it doesn't suck so before you put it down, maybe you should ride it in the first place.

So I think that's enough about Ka considering this topic is about Stealth and Rita.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Right...a near clone has no place as a comparison and to enlighten discussion for the benefit of those who haven't ridden Rita or Stealth...?

By that logic, piss off out the topic. Because you guys ain't ridden Rita or Stealth.

Take your own advice guys. Problem solved.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Right...a near clone has no place as a comparison and to enlighten discussion for the benefit of those who haven't ridden Rita or Stealth...?

Layout wise yeah it might be pretty similar, but when you're going almost fifty miles per hour faster, and more than double the height, I don't think they're really that similar. Like, you can tell the difference between Dragster and Kingda Ka, and that's only a few miles per hour different, so imagine how much difference I'd be able to feel if I rode Stealth and that you'd feel if you rode Ka.

So basically, you pretty much haven't ever experienced a coaster as fast as Dragster and Ka, so until you do, you won't understand how they are as rides.

I know I said to drop the whole Ka thing, but FFS it pisses me off when people think they can compare something that's much slower and much smaller than something they've been on, and when they haven't ridden.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Well, FIRSTLY, lets not forget this all started because someone who hasn't ridden either coasters that this topic is about came and got the arsehole and all defencive about a comment i made as a joke.

So, neither of you have any right to be in this topic in the first place according to your daft "if you ain't ridden it don't comment logic."

Lets make two entirely separate discussion forums, one USA and one Europe and forbid ANY discussion between the two. Yeah, you'd all love that wouldn't you.

Grow the hell up, it's not the end of the world. It's discussion. It's supposed to be fun, a little sarcy at times and we're SUPOSED TO DISAGREE.

Comparisons are the most important sodding thing about discussion on these forums. If you can't compare something as similar as Ka and Stealth, then what the hell can we compare?

It's just retarded. F-ing retarded.

You lot wouldn't give two ****s if i had been praising said coasters. It's only bad to compare when your fanboyishness and patriotics are offended.

 

[Snoo]

Your response was so incredibly lame and fanboyish it was quite disgusting.

I'm not in this argument at all.. but what is everyone so 'fanboyish' Joey?

Just my two cents.. I really don't care either way.. just find it lame that you insult everyone for being a fanboy.. yet you are one too.

And anyone who says they aren't are complete lairs who can't be trusted..

 

[SaiyanHajime]

What am i fanboyish about?

Nothing. Not to the point where i scream the minute a bad word gets said about something.

I just get so annoyed with the way that, if I'd made a comment like "i like stealth, therefore id love kingda ka" everyone would have been cool.

If i said "i hate stealth, therefore ill hate kingda ka" people are like "you can't compare them, they are nothing alike, DON'T COMMENT TILL YOU'VE RIDDEN IT!" and it PISSES me off to no end.

I've just had enough of being told i cant participate in a disgussion, quite frankly.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

You lot wouldn't give two if i had been praising said coasters. It's only bad to compare when your fanboyishness and patriotics are offended.

First of all, I hope you're not talking about me being a Great Adventure fangirl, because that's completely out of the question. Yeah I was once a mad Cedar Point fangirl and still am fangirlish to an extent, but certainly not like I was, so give credit where credit is due, eh?

As for being a Kingda Ka fangirl or whatever type of fangirl you're telling me I am, then whatever, I seriously don't care because the only park I'm a fangirl of is Cedar Point, and I'm not a nut like I was when I first joined.

If i said "i hate stealth, therefore ill hate kingda ka" people are like "you can't compare them, they are nothing alike, DON'T COMMENT TILL YOU'VE RIDDEN IT!" and it PISSES me off to no end.

I still don't believe you think that because you dislike Stealth, you'll dislike Ka. Something normal for camparison might be something like "I dislike the whole 4D concept of X, therefore I won't like Eejanaika" or maybe "I dislike Raptor therefore I'll dislike Orachi" because they're clones. I'll say it again. Kingda Ka is over double the height of Stealth, with over fourty miles per hour speed difference.

Again, if eight miles per hour between Dragster and Ka is THAT noticeable, the fourty some miles per hour difference between Ka and Stealth could be the difference between a good ride and a bad ride.

But whatever Joey, I understand you like to make a whole lot of judgements on things before you ride them. At least if you were saying something decent about a ride you haven't been on, it wouldn't be as bad as giving the ride no chance and slating it before riding it. Seriously though, I've been on it, so good. I know it's good, so whatever.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

When i make GENERALISED comments as examples, you can't seem to understand them. Why?

I still don't believe you think that because you dislike Stealth, you'll dislike Ka. Something normal for camparison might be something like "I dislike the whole 4D concept of X, therefore I won't like Eejanaika" or maybe "I dislike Raptor therefore I'll dislike Orachi" because they're clones. I'll say it again. Kingda Ka is over double the height of Stealth, with over fourty miles per hour speed difference.

I totally disagree with everything you've said in that small quote.

Okay, top speed is entirely based on one's surroundings. As is height. You can't tell you're flying at 500odd miles an hour in a plane because there's nout outside to compare the speed to. You can't tell that polar bears are huge on the tv because miles of ice makes them look smaller. It's entirely comparison based... Your visual input is FAR more receptive than how forces are received on the body by the speed in which somthing is going. Fact. (SPEED not ACCELERATION)

TTD has a slower acceleration rate than Stealth for definite, so regardless of top speed Stealth's launch is going to be more physically noticeable on the body because it increases more miles an hour in speed per second, whilst TTD visually looks far faster - because at ground level when it leaves the launch there's plenty of stationary objects to compare it's speed to. Just for an example.

Height is the same. PMBO at Blackpool looks significantly less massive since Infusion arrived, because more around the area of a reasonable height has a visual impact on the height of the tallest object. Whilst it still looks tall in comparison to those around it, it's individual height is warped by the comparison.

But this is all completely irrelevant to the argument.

My comment about Ka was made entirely on the basis that nearly everyone says that KK is really rough, so i made a joke about it - the same way i do about Colossucks. Now, you guys say that it's completely wrong to make prejudgements about a ride... i sort of agree, but because we are all discussing the same thing with different rides behind us as experience the only way we're ever going to have a conversation is by comparing similar experiences and why we think they would be similar or different.

You could argue that even exact clones give different rides - they most certainly do. But it's nice, at least for me, to have some opinion of things i have not ridden. So i like to hear from those who have ridden the ride. If 9 out of 10 people say Ka is rough, I'm going to assume the 1 who didn't rode it on a good day. That's logical. If someone describes a ride experience and it sounds similar to something I've ridden, I'm going to mentally tie those rides together - If i liked the ride, it's only fair to assume I'd probably like the other ride in question too.

I'm really sorry if you don't agree, but I'm not going to stop "judging rides before I've ridden them" because you think it's not fair or logical... when to me, it really is.

And I'd really appreciate it if everyone stopped making it okay to bash rides like Baco, Rita and Inferno, because the majority think they are crap, and then have a go at me because i make a comment like "Kingda Krap" in reference to comparing Stealth and Ka's roughness - which, i think was a pretty fair comment. I'm not saying you guys do, i'm just saying you only jump on somone's back about it if you happened to like the ride being bashed. And that's stoopid.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

The whole thing about top speed and acceleration, while that may be true to some extent, you'd definitely be able to tell the difference between Stealth and Dragster if you were to ride both of them, noticing Dragster is faster. Sorry, I don't care what you say, I'm not stupid enough to not be able to notice a fourty mile per hour difference. I notice the difference in terms of like, force on Maverick and Dragster, and the difference between Dragster and Ka (probably due to acceleration though), and the difference between Wicked Twister and Maverick. Not in terms of surroundings, in terms of intensity.

TTD has a slower acceleration rate than Stealth for definite, so regardless of top speed Stealth's launch is going to be more physically noticeable on the body because it increases more miles an hour in speed per second, whilst TTD visually looks far faster

Yes indeed it does, but Stealth only reaches somewhere around eighty, and Dragster reaches around a hundred and twenty, so basically, even though Stealth takes less time to get to eighty than Dragster would take to eighty, Dragster has that extra fourty miles per hour which are easily going to make it feel more intense and faster.

My comment about Ka was made entirely on the basis that nearly everyone says that KK is really rough, so i made a joke about it

Anyone who thinks Ka is rough is a dork. It's a teeny bit rougher than Dragster, but nothing that causes severe uncomfort, from my experience.

Okay maybe I worded it wrong. You can have prejudgements on rides before riding them, good or bad, but the other pet peeve I have to go along with that is when people go around saying "such and such sucks" when they don't even state that they haven't been on it. At least say you haven't been on it if you're going to go around saying it's crap.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Yes indeed it does, but Stealth only reaches somewhere around eighty, and Dragster reaches around a hundred and twenty, so basically, even though Stealth takes less time to get to eighty than Dragster would take to eighty, Dragster has that extra fourty miles per hour which are easily going to make it feel more intense and faster.

In my personal opinion, you are wrong. You don't have to have ridden both rides to know that, either. Here's a case of applying previous experience and knowledge to something different - increase in speed slowly to a higher speed applies less g's that higher acceleration to lower top speed.

Okay maybe I worded it wrong. You can have prejudgements on rides before riding them, good or bad, but the other pet peeve I have to go along with that is when people go around saying "such and such sucks" when they don't even state that they haven't been on it. At least say you haven't been on it if you're going to go around saying it's crap.

Everyone knows i haven't ridden it and i usually make a point of saying "i ain't ridden it, but..."

It was a fecking one-off joke comment, for Christ sake. You just jumped on the bandwagon.

Loads of people make over the top, often sarcastic, attention grabbing rants about coasters that they haven't ridden being crap. I, personally, find it funny regardless of whether or not i like the coaster in question - obviously you lot can't do that.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

In my personal opinion, you are wrong. You don't have to have ridden both rides to know that, either. Here's a case of applying previous experience and knowledge to something different - increase in speed slowly to a higher speed applies less g's that higher acceleration to lower top speed.

What you're pretty much saying is if the coaster has a higher acceleration rate, it's more intense.

Well sorry, that's also like saying "Such and such coaster reaches thirty five miles per hour in one second and reaches a maximum speed of fourty miles per hour therefore it's more intense than Dragster". No, sorry, a coaster that's significantly slower but has a slightly higher acceleration rate is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT automatically better or more intense.

Seriously though, if you want to think that way, by all means.

I bet many people would rather be reaching one twenty in about four seconds on Dragster, than about eighty, in just over two seconds on Stealth (for anyone who says it, they did not increase the acceleration rate). I'd rather have a decent acceleration rate and an extremely high speed than a higher acceleration rate with just an average speed.

Also, instead of comparing Dragster and Stealth, look at Ka and Stealth. Their acceleration rate is only off by a few miles per hour a second. Stealth isn't automatically better because of that, considering, for the thousandth time, Ka is fourty miles per hour faster.

Besides, we all know Ka > All other giant penises

(kidding before you tell me I'm judging a ride before I ride it)

 

[danielfitzgerald99]

Wow, reminds me of when I get involved in these kinds of arguments...

Anyways, since the environment is very volatile right now, I'll state for the record that I've not ridden either Rita or Stealth, but I have ridden Xcelerator, Ka, Dragster, and Storm Runner.

Xcelerator has the same launch as Stealth (actually, 2 mph faster). I can tell you right now that Xcelerator's launch doesn't come close to Ka's or Dragster's.

Putting it simply, before I rode Ka, I generally felt that I had reached the pinnacle of what I would've called a "fast" launch. It honestly seemed to me that once you got past a certain point - pre-Ka for me it was about the 60 mph range - that it didn't make a difference.

I guess what I'm saying is that Xcelerator really didn't feel a whole lot different to Rock 'N Roller Coaster, or B&R:TC, or Speed: The Ride in Vegas, or whatever.

However, once I rode Ka, it was as if an entirely new level of launches was opened up to me - simply put, Ka blew Xcelerator so far out of the water it was crazy. I was one of the people that was skeptical of Dragster when it first came out - I couldn't imagine why people loved such a ride - but after feeling Ka's launch, I could understand. Apart from each other, there simply is NOTHING like being launched at 120 mph, even if it happens in a second and a half longer than to be launched at 80.

For the record, after Ka and Dragster (in that order), the most intense launch I've ridden was Hypersonic XLC. 0-80 mph in 1.7-1.8 seconds is quite surreal, and most definately noticeable from Xcelerator's time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you've ridden a launch in the 60-80 mph range, you're really not going to a feel THAT much of a difference between them. Therefore, if you've ridden something that goes 70, you're perfectly entitled to comment on something that goes 80, at least in my opinion, as I really don't find that much of a difference.

But to be honest, and you know I love ya, Joey, but if the fastest ride you've ridden goes 80 mph, even if it's as close to being cloned as Ka and Stealth are, I'm sorry man - but you really can't comprehend the power of a 128 mph launch. It really is a surreal feeling that is quite unique, and far more "mind-blowing" than any 80 mph launch.

Summing it up, I don't really give a rat's ass if Stealth's acceleration rate is quicker than Ka's (which it isn't, by the way) - the fact you top out at 80 mph, whereas Ka tops out only a second and a half later at 128 mph, makes it a less intense launch. It's the case with Xcelerator vs. Ka, and it's also the case with Stealth vs. Ka.

Also, yes, I'm perfectly entitled to comment on Stealth's launch BECAUSE I've ridden it's nearly-identical launch brother Xcelerator.

Gotta agree with you their UC. People are always saying how ride is more intense because of the acceleration. I know for a fact that Dragster's launch would be better than Stealth even if Stealth's acceleration is quicker (I think it is, could be wrong though)

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

I think I pretty much have to agree with everything UC and Daniel said. I think UC pretty much summed up what I was trying to say, and my thoughts are also quite similar to Daniel's.

I've heard so many people saying how Stealth has to be more intense than Ka and Dragster, just because the acceleration rate is higher. Like I said, I don't believe it to be true (and according to UC it's not true), because whether the acceleration rate is higher or not, that's not the only thing you should consider. Top speed needs to be considered as well, which is why I said that a coaster which goes zero to thirty five in one second and a coaster that goes zero to one twenty in four seconds, you'll likely like the one which goes up to one twenty better, despite having a slower acceleration rate.

So yeah, I agree with both the previous posts.