NEMESIS: SUB-TERRA [Alton 2012]

[Nemesis Inferno]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

^The way of the internet it seems... All so eager for information that we often forget that being surprised is the best part of something new like this...

Oblivion's secrecy would never happen in today's world...

 

[Ben]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

Yeah, we get it Joey, well done

How big is the building? Someone said to me yesterday as big as Duel but long, but, Duel's HUGE, it's noway that big, think he's chatting ****.

I don't really care what it is. So over Alton, so over Merlin's crap rides. I'll just ride Duel and Hex some more <3

 

[Martyn B]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

Well I'm getting a bit excited about this!

In an ideal world, they would get the X-Sector sorted out first, but the Dynamo site was still a bit of a dumping ground, so at least that'll be sorted now. In the ariel veiw, the building for this looks quite big, not that much smaller than Duel really.

People on TT have already decided its going to be a drop tower, 4 of them in total, that face each other.

 

[CoasterCrazy]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

I was really wanting a coaster to replace black hole but it looks like these drop towers will have to do...but hey AT are getting new rides! :--D ,thought it was about time for Alton to get a drop tower!

These will be great in the dark... I do have a few queries though:

1.) Will each drop tower be different? Eg.one floored, one floorless one stand-up etc.
2.) Will all the drop towers be in sync?

Would be great if those happened though!

 

[Ben]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

Drop Towers...? Wait, what? Where did this come from?

That's stupid... Their last investment was just a Drop Tower with track on, why would they get... the same thing... again... just doing less...

If this is true, 2012 is one **** up decision making year.

 

[CoasterCrazy]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

If this is true, 2012 is one **** up decision making year.

I wonder if the 2013 coaster is still going to happen?

 

[SaiyanHajime]

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If this is true, 2012 is one **** up decision making year.

I wonder if the 2013 coaster is still going to happen?

Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be?

Drop Towers...? Wait, what? Where did this come from?

That's stupid... Their last investment was just a Drop Tower with track on, why would they get... the same thing... again... just doing less...

If this is true, 2012 is one **** up decision making year.

That's what they've been saying over at Towers Times for a few days. It's rumours and speculation, though.

 

[T0M]

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I'm just wondering why this site has gone with the drop towers. Is the source only the Towers Times rumours? Do you not think it's possible that the same sources that have accurately leaked things in the past have been deliberately misled on this occasion? It just seems a little strange to me that they've submitted a very vague plan that seems specifically designed with communities like this and Towers Times in mind - quite vague. They don't even mention sound levels or anything.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

I'm just wondering why this site has gone with the drop towers. Is the source only the Towers Times rumours? Do you not think it's possible that the same sources that have accurately leaked things in the past have been deliberately misled on this occasion? It just seems a little strange to me that they've submitted a very vague plan that seems specifically designed with communities like this and Towers Times in mind - quite vague. They don't even mention sound levels or anything.

Plans are plans, they submit what they have to for the council. Being indoors allows them to not specify what the ride type is. I mean, we all knew what Thirteen was going to do long before, but it didn't actually say on the plans the public can view. There is no reason any member of the public would need to know what it does inside the building.

As for the rumours being to deliberately mislead, did you say the same thing on Towers Times? Sure I read that before. But anyway, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong... :lol:

 

[Ben]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

Drop Towers...? Wait, what? Where did this come from?

That's stupid... Their last investment was just a Drop Tower with track on, why would they get... the same thing... again... just doing less...

If this is true, 2012 is one **** up decision making year.

That's what they've been saying over at Towers Times for a few days. It's rumours and speculation, though.

Please tell me my fears are misfounded

 

[Hixee]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

If these are drop towers... meh.

I've not done any of the inclosed ones, but there's a part of me that thinks the whole point is to be able to see the surroundings and get a real sense of how high you are. Alton won't be building big drop towers, and you won't get any sort of view...

Not really excited for this one to be honest...

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

Drop Towers...? Wait, what? Where did this come from?

That's stupid... Their last investment was just a Drop Tower with track on, why would they get... the same thing... again... just doing less...

If this is true, 2012 is one **** up decision making year.

That's what they've been saying over at Towers Times for a few days. It's rumours and speculation, though.

Please tell me my fears are misfounded

I feel that, based on what I know, your fears are indeed misfounded. Same for anyone who's heard this rumour and then thought "meh". The rumour from Towers Times may or may not be true, but it's actually fairly irrelevant to this attraction what the hardware is. But my idea of "AWESOME" isn't necessarily yours... And on top of that, a lot changes from the before plans are submitted days to opening day. So really, even if I was willing to spill all the beans, it wouldn't paint a perfect picture.

Feel better?

 

[Ben]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

Yeah <3

 

[T0M]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

I'm just wondering why this site has gone with the drop towers. Is the source only the Towers Times rumours? Do you not think it's possible that the same sources that have accurately leaked things in the past have been deliberately misled on this occasion? It just seems a little strange to me that they've submitted a very vague plan that seems specifically designed with communities like this and Towers Times in mind - quite vague. They don't even mention sound levels or anything.

Plans are plans, they submit what they have to for the council. Being indoors allows them to not specify what the ride type is. I mean, we all knew what Thirteen was going to do long before, but it didn't actually say on the plans the public can view. There is no reason any member of the public would need to know what it does inside the building.

As for the rumours being to deliberately mislead, did you say the same thing on Towers Times? Sure I read that before. But anyway, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong... :lol:

Yeah I did, and I'm only guessing, trying to keep people in doubt!

Does anyone think it's possible that the depth of the actual floor of the building could be lower than the dimensions of the walls/roof building they've specified in the plans?

 

[Hixee]

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Does anyone think it's possible that the depth of the actual floor of the building could be lower than the dimensions of the walls/roof building they've specified in the plans?

I **** hope so! They'll never get any sort of height on a drop tower otherwise. I don't think you have to specify things about the floor levels etc on a planning permission thing like this. When the plans for the actual building are approved (probably by engineers and architects more than the council) then that would show up, but I don't think they have to show it in the basic planning application.

At least, that's what I think my mum said when she was talking about something like this recently.

 

[Thekingin64]

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If this is going to be a drop tower, i'll be happy as imo Alton needs a drop tower. By the sounds of it, this is going to be like Mystery Castle.

 

[Aaron]

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If Joey says it's going to be awesome then I believe him, he has a fairly good grasp on what is awesome which I think closely matches mine...

I really hope it isn't drop towers because if it is then it's likely they'll be the same sort of system as the ones in the dungeons (maybe a little higher?) and they are literally 30 second rides...

But if it is and they do it well then I will not complain, as anyone should know, dark rides are my kryptonite, so I'm still excited to see what happens with this one, and crossing my fingers they don't repeat the fiasco that was 13...

 

[SaiyanHajime]

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I feel like those who actually design the attraction and the people at Towers responsible for things like marketing, logo, name (I think?) and stating what they want in the first place are one two completely different wavelengths, and thats what went so "wrong" with Thriteen. I quite like Thriteen, and I feel everyone else would like it a little more had it not been so obviously disconnected. It's like the team at Alton got a bit carried away and forced the design to work in ways it couldn't because it wasn't... designed that way? That talk Wardley did on the Season Pass Podcast was cringeworthy, where he literally shed all responsibility for Thriteen in that awkward... "Er, yeah wasn't... realllllly my design" kind of way.

I'm impressed with Thorpe's efforts with Swarm, but even there it looks like to me the marketing team really just aren't even working on the same project with some things. But hey, what do I know, just a stupid enthusiast.

I'm really trying to get my head around what aspects of an attraction are who's responsibility, and tbh its almost always so damn obvious. I mean, look back at Stealth. Those **** stupid faces... Wtf did they, the name, the logo, the feel put into the tv ad have to do with anything?

WHY they chose to advertise Thirteen's drop element is beyond me. I guess it was because the team at Alton are too daft to work out how else to advertise it... But the way I see it, it shouldn't be the focus of the ride, narrative should be. That doesn't mean it needs a story as such, but it should just be a... I dunno, erm.... platform, for some kind of general vague narrative? The scaffolding/floorboards collapse, so you fall through them. But because the physical element is the focus, the narrative can't keep up with the expectations. So it feels like the narrative is desperately trying to explain the drop, instead of it drops because it's part of a narrative. There's a huge difference. Does that make sense? I'm hoping this attraction will be different in that regard.

 

[Mark]

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^ That raises some very interesting questions and points actually Joey. Kinda like what I was saying in the Theme Ruining Coasters topic. A company like Disney seem to ensure that everything works very cohesively together from the ground up including the marketing etc. If Merlin are not working with that cohesion it certainly does explain some of the mis-matches in the past.

In terms of this new project, IF it is in the Foridden Valley and the reason for why they have gone through the whole Favourite Coaster marketing is because it is related to Nemesis in some way, as I think you suggested, sort of. Hopefully it will mean that the teams working on it are all singing from the same hymn sheet in the sense that the Nemesis backstory is laid out very well for them already. I have always liked the idea of individual rides 'stories' working cohesively with the collective land. Like the whole Ripsaw being the tool used to cut the metal used to restrain the Nemesis thing... Of course most people aren't fussed or even notice but I think having that cross attraction story adds to the suspension of disbelief.

Personally, I had always hoped an attraction like Phantasialands Mystery Castle would find itself attached over with the Hex story and part of the Towers and so on.

Either way, it does seem that Merlin are beginning to realise that audiences are aware of theming as such. I think it may even be a case when theming works its like no one notices (and surely that is the point, it is more subconscious) but when it hasn't worked everyone picks up on it? It is really difficult to say anything about this new attraction until we know exactly what it is, but it does at least look like Merlin are moving in the right direction.

 

[SaiyanHajime]

Re: New Indoor Ride for Alton in 2012

In terms of this new project, IF it is in the Foridden Valley and the reason for why they have gone through the whole Favourite Coaster marketing is because it is related to Nemesis in some way, as I think you suggested, sort of. Hopefully it will mean that the teams working on it are all singing from the same hymn sheet in the sense that the Nemesis backstory is laid out very well for them already. I have always liked the idea of individual rides 'stories' working cohesively with the collective land. Like the whole Ripsaw being the tool used to cut the metal used to restrain the Nemesis thing... Of course most people aren't fussed or even notice but I think having that cross attraction story adds to the suspension of disbelief.

I may well be expecting too much from marketing at Alton, as this is just stuff I have pieced together... If you go back and look, I made the same guesses about drawing attention to individual brands in that other topic about the Greats competition long before I went to studios. I've not said anything that I haven't "worked out" from an outsider perspective. It'll be interesting to see how right, or wrong, I was.

Either way, it does seem that Merlin are beginning to realise that audiences are aware of theming as such. I think it may even be a case when theming works its like no one notices (and surely that is the point, it is more subconscious) but when it hasn't worked everyone picks up on it? It is really difficult to say anything about this new attraction until we know exactly what it is, but it does at least look like Merlin are moving in the right direction.

An audience will be aware of anything you make them aware of. You can't pay no efforts into immersing them and then wonder why they aren't immersed. It's funny, because for years Tussauds were talking to the skeptical British audience in the right language (Oblivion and Air are the best examples of such) and then it's like everyone forgot how to do it again until Saw, before forgetting how to do it with Thirteen again.