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Krake - B&M dive machine for Heide Park

Oh, I thought it did have a hole, thus my Oblivion comment.

Well, it doesn't look to have the best layout, but it was never promised to be good, was it? Just got to take it for what it is.

Yeah, they could have gone for a eurofighter, but the drop would be nowhere near as thrilling.
 
I still asume that the the trains will dive through the mouth of the krake which will provide some additional thrill. But looking at the layout I couldn't agree more with you others that I'm dissapointed :(

I thought that the coaster would dive below water level (into the gape of the krake) and not return to the surface until the immelman. But this? A drop straight into a water splash, reducing the speed immediately, not very fun.
 
The water splash will add nothing to this ride as you do not see them when on it as it goes behind the train.

I am hoping they do add theming to the drop then it will be ok.

But it would have been better to dive into a hole on the water as people have said.
 
I was really dissapointed with the layout (if the NL creation is correct) but the more I think about it, the more I think it will be a decent ride!

It may be a "mini-dive-machine" but the drop should give just as good a sensation, and that's the focus! Like people have mentioned, Oblivion never needed the extra track, and with it being the first dive machine in mainland Europe, it should go down well with the punters, also that air-time hill looks nice and low, you'll still be thinking of the first drop when you hit the brakes, which is something that's a little missed on the bigger American counter parts. And if themed correctly it will be a really great addition, the track looks like it goes below the water-line which makes me think they'll make it go into a tunnel (I think that was mentioned in the press release too) and if it's finished to the standard of Mutiny Bay in Alton Towers with a Nemesis-y-Krake monster I really don't think it'll be as disappointing as I first thought.
 
I think it looks good.

Not sure how to explain this, but it does seem a shame that more and more coasters don't do what they set out to do. It's like there's a gap between marketing focus and the natural focus that comes through when you ride a coaster...

This is a trend I first noticed with Eurofighters, who despite what their name suggest, are terrible at making quick transitions and are at their best when they are bounding over hills. And their fairly decent but nothing mind-blowing drops are often lost behind all the **** they do badly, like invert and... turn about. I305 is, even if they sort it out, always going to be a bit naff because it's claim to fame is that huge drop... But what it does well is the dancing about transitional changes at the end.

I would really like to see more coasters give you what they say on the tin, like Alton Towers set out to do with Oblivion and Air. These rides, I believe, actually trick you into thinking they are better than they are because they give you what they claimed to far better than you might think was possible.

I'm not sure where Krake stands in this theory to be honest.

Splash downs are awesome. Was it Marc who criticised them for being non-interactive with riders?? I love them. So much. I get immense joy in seeing people enjoying things, and as a rider you can see non-riders enjoying the splashdown and feel like you are responsible for it. It's an extention of the "look at me, I've got my hands up!" phenomenon of people enjoying entertaining others. Roller coasters are amazing peices of architecture and I think it's amazing when they find ways to entertain non-riders.

Oblivion looks vertical for longer than Griffon and Sheikra, I think. And I always assumed it was because Oblivion enters the hole at a vertical point. But Krake's drop appears to be vertical for a large percentage of the drop, so now I'm wondering if it's a scale related illusion?

Like bob, I'm far more interested in the creative prospects of this ride. There's a great narrative behind this ride, a great combination of pop-culture reference and ageless storytelling. As a peice of themeing in itself, it looks like it's going to be fab, and hopefully set a benchmark for the next UK attractions... Fingers crossed.

EDIT: Oh my I got carried away there.
 
I have to agree I do enjoy watching Shiekra soak people, but when your on the ride you cannot see this due to the wall.

Manta works as you can see the water splash even when you are on the ride.

I just hope they build a path next to this ride in that area or it is a bit pointless. You will see the water from a distance and that will be it. I still wish they made it like Vanish where you dive into the lake.

As I said before we have yet to see the theming and this could make the ride really good, but as a layout I am not that impressed. If it was not themed and was just going to sit there then I think it would be a let down, but some good theming will make this coaster a lot better.
 
Aaahh, I don't remember Sheikra much, but Griffons splashdown is enjoyable on ride so I was going by that.

Griffon does everything right that Sheikra does wrong and Sheikra does everything right that Griffon does wrong. Well, except for their drops, which neither of them get ride... Oblivion does though. :p

About time someone built a perfect dive machine, as all the components are there, just on different rides...
 
- 41 meters high vertical drop (134 feet) which plunge into a pit (like Obålivion) representing the mouth of the octopus
- An underground passage and a splashdown
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Just to refer to the press release for the ride. It looks like it will dive into a tunnel/monster mouth. Incase people missed it. Looking forward to them getting the theming up now.
 
I have the feeling it's going to have a slightly open tunnel. As in just theming around it to create that 'tunnel' feel. Like the monsters mouth, and thats it, using the splash down to wet the theming and therefore wetting the guests if that makes any sense?
 
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Gives an idea of what they plan to do with the drop.
 
I think it looks great, but it all depends how well they pull it off.

I wonder why they've got some of Desert Race's track in there too though?
 
Martyn B said:
So it id going to drop straight into a water splash?
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I was picturing something like this...

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... more of a tunnel and splash effect than an actual splashdown. Having said that, if the theming is as extensive as the concept art few posts above, then I'm not sure how that would work.
 
^ Ever since I first saw a picture of the Kraken figure. :razz:

The layout is simple and quaint, though still seems a bit too short. It is after all only 300 ft. longer than Oblivion.
 
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