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Smithy said:
And Neal Senna came from a mile behind, he was trying to undercut too many cars well off the racing line of even the most cautious cars, it wasn't that Vettel didn't give him enough room, it was that Senna just essentially barrelled into him (at least from the onboard footage of Senna that I watched before posting). There was no car inside of him when he turned in, Senna was two cars behind Vettel as Vettel was turning in for the corner, he flew up braking far too late and tried to take a line that was never going to work with cars on the outside of him.
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OMG! F1 in racing and overtaking shocker!!! ;)

Seriously, this is why I don't like F1. If you're racing, faster on entry to a corner and can hold the tighter, inside line - that is the way you overtake. It's no wonder F1 is so dull if every time you have an overtaking opportunity, you have to back off because you're going faster than somebody else.

If you penalise people for being brave and making an effort to actually gain positions, you just end up with processions around the track and have to introduce rubbish like DRS and KERS in a desperate attempt to make things exciting.

It's a simple racing incident. Vettel came across because he just assumed that it was a standard procession (yawn) and didn't think he might actually have to fight and work to hold position. In all other racing, the driver would be aware of cars potentially on the inside and if they're too tight and too fast, just back off a little and let them run off in front of you. If they can make the move stick, then you've given them the room they needed.
 
Aye, it is a racing incident, I just disagreed with blame being put on Vettel (which is odd, as I am often one of the first to jump at a chance to criticise him) as Senna was far too reckless in his overtaking attempt, went too fast and too deep into the corner. There's only a few drivers these days who're actually capable of overtaking consistently outside of DRS and KERS areas, and they tend to be the drivers racing at the top few teams.
 
Bruno did break late and actually past 3 cars into that corner. Vettel just did not see him or expect him to be there.
 
Ferrari's new car for 2013:

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Such an improvement on last year's car! <3
 
So they've all ditched that weird little 'dip' (just before the front wing) that they all added last year?
 
Think they all have it, but they're obscured by a 'vanity panel' and Lotus are now looking at covering it up as the others have.
 
Yeah lotus said they did not want to carry the extra weight but will probably cover theirs up as well if everyone else does. The panel is not meant to give any advantage though.

They look so much better covered up.

Even mclaren have the dip this year. Looking at the car I thought it looked the same as last years but they have changed so much.
 
I was going to set up the f1 league again but near enough everyone is saying go for the fixed drivers.

What does everyone think?
 
They look even more like LEGO with them added on. You can see where they stick on xD

And don't be silly Marc, everyone deserves the choice of either option. Both have their pros and cons. I should probably retire after such a runaway victory last year though lol.
 
nealbie said:
They look even more like LEGO with them added on. You can see where they stick on xD

And don't be silly Marc, everyone deserves the choice of either option. Both have their pros and cons. I should probably retire after such a runaway victory last year though lol.
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Lol yeah :). Should we set it up for both options? The amount of times I was running 1,2,3 last year to end up with nothing or 6th.

I know what you mean about the Lego look. On the mclaren it's hard to see but the Ferrari it's very easy to see.
 
Setting up both options sounds good.

The cars so far look more aggressive on the whole. Me likes. The dark Sauber livery is sexy.

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Not sure either, guess they read the rules different to others.

I read them as they can cover the dip as long as there is no aero advantage. Reading stuff on line the Sauber is pushing the rules and teams are already looking into it.
 
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