Do you believe in ghosts?

[PLCP]

All you are is dust in the wiiiiiiiiiiiiind.....

 

[RCF]

Live for the Launch wrote:

You've got a good point there. I forgot you were an atheist too. Well, technically, Snoo's not an atheist.

Yes he is? If you don't have a religion and don't believe in anything, you're athiest.

Well he's agnostic. That means you don't believe in God, but you believe there's something out there.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

^ When did he say he thought there was something out there?

 

[RCF]

It's on his MySpace.

 

[furie]

I understand that there are certainly other explanations for paranormal events and stuff, but there are so many videos, recorded sounds, pictures, etc, that are some sort of proof that they exist. I'm sure some are false, and some are a result of something that is not ghostly, but I do think some are real.

Look at the numbers though. There's no way that out of several million sightings a year, there is no hard evidence. Every bit of evidence can be explained in some way. As soon as an objective study is done, the hauntings stop.

If only 1% of the sightings was real, it would still be thousands a year of true paranormal activity. With that amount of activity, hard evidence would have easily come to light in the last 100 years of study.

For reference, using large number theory (the same theory I use for essentially logically discrediting ghosts) I can logically conclude there are aliens. I do believe there are aliens out there.

However, I don't believe they've ever visited us deliberately - but may give a little credence to the idea that some may have crashed here - however, I'd not really argue that point, I don't really have any faith in a belief we've ever had ET's here on Earth.

Another thing is when little kids who aren't old enough to know better say strange things. My sister, when she was only maybe two and had no idea what death/ghosts was (my mom shielded her from all that kinda stuff until recently), was in a cemetery and there was absolutely nobody around, and she pointed to an open area and said, look at all the people! Now, I couldn't see another explanation for that.. If she was a bit older, maybe, but her being only two and not knowing anything, I don't understand what else it could be.

I love these anecdotes.

Maxi-Minor_Furie went to thepark the other day. He found a baby elephant sitting on the swing. They had a chat and the baby elephant came home with him. He made it lunch, and it sat next to him on the sofa and watched TV. If you stood in baby elephant's way, he'd yell that baby elephant couldn't see. At one point, he picked up the phone and said it was baby elephant's mum calling asking if we could look after baby elephant all night - which we did. The next day, baby elephant went home.

To MMF, the baby elephant was real. He knew that it wasn't really, but it's a sign of a healthy imagination. I have a lot of anecdotes about imaginary people he sees etc. I remember seeing a marching animal band when I was about four on the banks of the Mersey, and my parent's could not convince me otherwise - that marching animal band is still a "real" memory to me. As I said before, humans are not reliable.

There isn't any conclusive evidence for it, but there isn't any conclusive evidence against it, so either way it doesn't really matter what anybody thinks, it's something that probably won't be known or proven until we die and see what really happens .

It's not a valid argument at all - sorry. I can give you a reason for every single supernatural/ghost event in the world, ever. The reason I give will be based on things that are proven to happen and can be reproduced.

Okay, so we've established a baseline. Anything that happens in a supernatural experience can be reproduced or explained (though you may upset a few people).

Now, nobody in the world can produce evidence that proves supernatural events happen.

I have 100% demonstrable evidence that can explain things.

Ghost believers have 0% demonstrable (under any kind of scrutiny) evidence that can prove the existence of ghosts.

So, it's still a no

he could have just been pressing a flash button or something.

But it has no flash button, and did you see his thumb moving? I didn't.

I could repeat that myself tonight if I wanted to. You could have an automated timer to make the lights flash, it could be under remote control so somebody else is doing it off-camera, it could be a very shallow squeeze sensitive button so you wouldn't see it "being pressed". There was nothing in that video that made me in any way shape or form convinced it was anything other than a bunch of people making stuff up. In fact, I reckon I could repeat half of the things in that video myself over a single weekend.

 

[CMonster]

I don't believe in ghosts, but, being a Christian, I do believe in demons. Actual people can't "come back" and haunt other people, they either go to heaven or hell. Demons, however, do have the power to "haunt" people, in a certain sense. I have a friend who has had encounters with demons where he couldn't move or whatever, and I have another friend who used to be a Satanist and he regurally spoke to demons.

Therefore, I don't believe in ghosts as people who died, but I do believe in supernatural things: angels, demons, ect.

 

[Lain]

The post above me is hilarious.

No, I don't believe in ghosts.

 

[AdamJ]

I won't believe in them until I actually see one, or some sort of anomoly proving that the paranormal exist.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Furie my brothaa, argue all you want, because both of us don't know the real truth. You could come up with all these facts and counter-arguments, but in the end it comes down to belief, and personally, I believe in it. If you don't, fantastic, but I do and someone who is saying they can disprove every single paranormal event that has ever occurred isn't even going to convince me otherwise.

You can say "oh, that picture is simply just dust on the lens, or a glare", but how do you know FOR SURE that it was just dust on the lens? What if it really WAS a ghost?

 

[Ormerod]

Because when you wipe the lens it doesn't come back.

 

[Snoo]

You can say "oh, that picture is simply just dust on the lens, or a glare", but how do you know FOR SURE that it was just dust on the lens? What if it really WAS a ghost?

Then how can you say, FOR SURE, that there is no God then Taylor? I mean, if ghosts can be around, as you delightfully say, God must be standing next to you giving you the finger thinking "HYPOCRITICAL BITCH!"

Taylor.. just stop.. before you could possibly look any more retarded.

^You've got a good point there. I forgot you were an atheist too. Well, technically, Snoo's not an atheist.

I'm not? I wasn't aware that other people, besides myself, decided what I believed in?

You kids.. make me giggle.

 

[PLCP]

^Greatest post....ever.

 

[Antinos]

Taylor, I could easily prove you wrong if I was on my desktop at home. I have plenty of pictures showing a spot that somebody such as yourself would think is a ghost, yet is just a mechanical problem with my lens.

 

[eddy1282]

i slept in a hotel and it was horrible the room was creaking i could here voice see apparitions and the door locked for a bit.

so i come home and go on the website and it says "we have a paranormal guest here hope you don't meet him" i found out i was in that room

i do believe in them

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Then how can you say, FOR SURE, that there is no God then Taylor? I mean, if ghosts can be around, as you delightfully say, God must be standing next to you giving you the finger thinking "HYPOCRITICAL BITCH!"

I didn't say there for sure isn't a God.. I simply don't believe in it, but I respect the possibility that it could be real. The concept doesn't make SENSE to me, but I'm not gonna shoot it down or anything.

Taylor, I could easily prove you wrong if I was on my desktop at home. I have plenty of pictures showing a spot that somebody such as yourself would think is a ghost, yet is just a mechanical problem with my lens.

Did I say ALL pictures with lens problems etc, were ghosts? A vast majority of them ARE probably things like dust or glare, but I still think some of them are real.

 

[RCF]

You kids.. make me giggle.

It's my job to make people laugh. That's who I am.

 

[Snoo]

I didn't say there for sure isn't a God.. I simply don't believe in it, but I respect the possibility that it could be real. The concept doesn't make SENSE to me, but I'm not gonna shoot it down or anything.

Whats not to understand?..


God went click.

Everything created.

Here we are.


..there ya go.

 

[RCF]

^ Great explanation. That was really deep.

 

[furie]

Furie my brothaa, argue all you want, because both of us don't know the real truth. You could come up with all these facts and counter-arguments, but in the end it comes down to belief, and personally, I believe in it. If you don't, fantastic, but I do and someone who is saying they can disprove every single paranormal event that has ever occurred isn't even going to convince me otherwise.

You can say "oh, that picture is simply just dust on the lens, or a glare", but how do you know FOR SURE that it was just dust on the lens? What if it really WAS a ghost?

LOL! I do love this!

Okay, let's do it :lol:

We both go into a room, and there's an apple on the table.
I say "that's a delicious looking apple"
You say "no, it's a banana that just looks like an apple".


If I ask you why you think it's a banana, you will say "because I believe it's a banana". If I get a book of fruits of the world and show you apples and bananas - you would still say "it's just a banana that looks like an apple". The book proves nothing.

I take a bite and say "it tastes like an apple".
You take a bite and say "it taste like a banana"

Again, I cannot prove you wrong. You cannot prove me right. So your "belief argument" still kind of stands.

If I then fetch in a food expert and he says "it's an apple". You can still claim "he's wrong".

If I then get professional scientific tests done to prove 100% that the apple is an apple. You can STILL claim that even though you have no proof, your belief is enough for you that it's an apple shaped banana.

I have proof it's an apple. You have belief it's a banana. You're right, I can't disprove your belief. However, when I go into a green grocers, I don't get laughed at for asking for a pound of bananas while being determined screaming that they're the small red round fruit, not the bendy yellow ones!

The difference between us is this.

If I produce compelling (ie using proper scientific methods) evidence that you are wrong (all ghost can be explained) - you will not believe me.

If you produce compelling (ie using proper scientific methods) evidence that I am wrong - I will believe you.

As there has never been compelling evidence, I won't believe. However, I am open minded enough to be able to change my opinion if I can be convinced.

A healthy dose of scepticism has never done anyone any harm

 

[marc]

I do, why cause I has seen one as has my brother and my dad.

Years ago my parents friends were in a car accident and their daughter died, this is who we have seen.

I was about 8 and I was walking up the stairs of our house and saw her, I cried and my mum asked me why. I told her who I saw and what she was wearing, my mum said she bought that outfit for my birthday but died before wearing it.

My brother was once reading to her late at night.

My dad saw her when he was in hospital, she used to sit at the end of his bed.

People may laugh and say what crap but these things happened.

But is it just our minds not letting people go when they die? or do we dream it?