UK Voting System
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Nic
Strata Poster
I'm not posting this because I'm trying to drum up support for the yes campaign. I'm posting this because, as with everything in life, I think the general public need to take a more critical view of media and advertising. (To that end, if I find an equivalent one of these on the other side of the argument, I promise to post it here)
Obviously this is incredibly biased, but it does prove that you need to think carefully about the way that things are written and presented
http://imgur.com/a/hgmbQ
Obviously this is incredibly biased, but it does prove that you need to think carefully about the way that things are written and presented
http://imgur.com/a/hgmbQ
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
^ Yeah and I fear that, as always, the ones who are most passionate are those who want to keep the world as it is and not the ones who want to change it. It's like herding cats. (Second time I've said this today...)
I'm gunna make the effort and get out and vote in favour of AV.
I'm gunna make the effort and get out and vote in favour of AV.
Smithy
Strata Poster
Tbf arguments from both sides are bordering on ridiculous.
"AV will get more people out to vote". No it won't. Free money would. A different voting system won't.
"We can't afford AV". But we can afford to increase our aid donations to countries such as India and Pakistan who're investing heavily in their infrastructures at the expense of taking care of the swathes of people in poverty.
Neither system will provide a fair result. Don't agree with either. So yeah I don't think I'll vote. No doubt I'll get lumped in as a youthful voter wasting his opportunity mind.
"AV will get more people out to vote". No it won't. Free money would. A different voting system won't.
"We can't afford AV". But we can afford to increase our aid donations to countries such as India and Pakistan who're investing heavily in their infrastructures at the expense of taking care of the swathes of people in poverty.
Neither system will provide a fair result. Don't agree with either. So yeah I don't think I'll vote. No doubt I'll get lumped in as a youthful voter wasting his opportunity mind.
Tbh none of the politicians have any idea how to run this country anyway. They're all public-schooled nancy boys whose father got them a job in politics and have somehow inexplicably ended up in charge of a government department for which they have no expertise.
So whichever way we vote, we're still going to have a bunch of idiots at the top.
So whichever way we vote, we're still going to have a bunch of idiots at the top.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
I stumbled upon this.... http://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/ ... than-fptp/
^That was actually a very well written article, and although I didn't agree with it all, I respected it. Until, that is...
He got progressively more ridiculous as it went on. I know some of it was intentionally written that way to make a point, but some of it just felt like he was shouting to try and win some people over that couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing.
That article said:
He got progressively more ridiculous as it went on. I know some of it was intentionally written that way to make a point, but some of it just felt like he was shouting to try and win some people over that couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing.
kir
Hyper Poster
I haven't read through this topic on purpose so I don't feel like my answer is influenced by somebody else's sparkling contribution, which is so easily done in politics.
AV all the way for me. I'll keep my reason really simple. With AV you can give your vote much more depth, you're not just voting for your favourite, you have the opportunity to vote for your favourite and technically vote against your least favourite/less liked parties. It's much better that way, because an opinion can NEVER be fully expressed just stating what you like, it has to be opposed by dislikes too in order to give it a more solid construction. That's just my way of seeing things anyways, in a very quick nutshell.
AV all the way for me. I'll keep my reason really simple. With AV you can give your vote much more depth, you're not just voting for your favourite, you have the opportunity to vote for your favourite and technically vote against your least favourite/less liked parties. It's much better that way, because an opinion can NEVER be fully expressed just stating what you like, it has to be opposed by dislikes too in order to give it a more solid construction. That's just my way of seeing things anyways, in a very quick nutshell.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Er I think you'll find he was joking/mocking/being sarcastic throughout.jokerman said:
MouseAT
Hyper Poster
I'm firmly in favour of alternative vote. Not that it'll make any real difference where I live, as Richmond is solid Tory territory, but any system that encourages people to vote for the candidate they actually want, as opposed to deciding which one of the big two they don't want, then voting for the other has got to be an improvement.
I'm no idiot. Alternative vote isn't going to be a magic fix, but right now I feel our political system is so badly broken that doing nothing simply isn't an option.
I'm no idiot. Alternative vote isn't going to be a magic fix, but right now I feel our political system is so badly broken that doing nothing simply isn't an option.
^Well you could change the examples to 'types' of drink. Beer/Wine/Spirits/Coffee. Still works out that more people want the alcoholic choice.
(Frankly I'm just being obtuse. No system is really 'perfect' or even that much better than the others so... meh)
(Frankly I'm just being obtuse. No system is really 'perfect' or even that much better than the others so... meh)