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Phantasialand | F. L. Y. | Vekoma Launched Flying Coaster | 2020
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Matt N
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Thank you very much @CSLKennyNI!
CSLKennyNI
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@CSLKennyNI what a fantastic breakdown! It’s really helped bring everything together in my mind, much more than it was before. I’m genuinely more excited and WOWed by this project just from reading that. Thank you!
Looking forward to new developments
Thanks very much!
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The blue arrow is on the slightly curved LSM track - then there are two bulky supports for the curved segments - the launch will probably be like a half loop. The following support is angled to the left which suggests the track will continue that direction and together form an overall Immelmann-like element.
2nd Half
Its too early to exactly tell where it goes next, however based off the direction and height I presume the track will continue over to the curve through the towers.
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If this angeled support was for the expactet immelman, the trains would collide with it. It used to be turned around by 180°. I hope you understand what I mean.
I think this support will be an other Zero-G-Roll like element if you compare it to the already existing roll.
There were to many curved LSM parts at Vlodrop for those two supports. I think there will be a second - only curved - launch.
Phantasiastisch
Mega Poster
CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
Yeah I was hoping we would already have heard something by now. Klugheim construction updates/marketing started on 19th August 2015. I wonder are they waiting for more theming to done so there is more to show off?I'm curious if Phanta will make an announcement after this sunday, when the park goes back to non-summer mode.
Not sure what they should announce, but a bit of teasing never hurt somebody
Or could the name copyright issues being holding them back? If there is uncertainly as to what the coaster will eventually be called, they might want to avoid marketing something called 'F.L.Y.' if they end up having to change the name.
Hopefully though it is just as you suggested; once the summer is finished they will soon start their teasing! Fingers crossed.
Where would another curved launch go? Why would the coaster need another one?
mrrc's pictures from Vlodrop show only 5 different launch segments for F.L.Y.. And all are pretty much accounted for.
1. This long straight(ish) section with the connection points for being mounted on the ceiling of the launch tunnel. This bit of track has already been installed.
2. There was also this shorter bit of straight(ish) track. Looking back it now I'm just noticing that it doesn't have any visible connection points for the ceiling of the launch tunnel. And there doesn't appear to be the space (nor would it make sense as the launch is fully curved there) after the tunnel for another support/launch section. So where will it go?
I'm fairly convinced now by @ [Bear]'s theory on the previous page. The cannon/tunnel structure could potentially support this small launch track as the connections would attach to the side.
Launch segments 3, 4 and 5.
The 3rd part as also pictured below on a truck being delivered to Phantasia. Has the same connectors for the ceiling of the tunnel, and has been installed (it is the bit poking out of the launch tunnel in the site pictures). This is were the curve begins and the track starts to bend upwards.
That only leaves the two properly curved launch segments left (4 + 5). And there are two supports left after the tunnel for curved track.
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CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
^ Not quite sure. I'm no expert when it comes to coaster elements.
But the launch track will pretty much form a half loop or almost a half loop. And then the following that the angled support behind suggests the track then twists off to the right.
The definition of an Immelmann from the Coaster Force Infos page on Inversions is:"This inversion is the same as a vertical loop until the train is inverted, when the track dives off to the left or right."
Of course until it is erected we can't tell how it exactly follows/is shaped, and therefore whether it can be considered an Immelmann or just an element that is similar to one (term I've been using typically is Immelmann-like). But to me (and others on the German forums) it seems like an Immelmann (of sorts).
Or are there any experts on here who know their inversions and can say otherwise/help out?
But the launch track will pretty much form a half loop or almost a half loop. And then the following that the angled support behind suggests the track then twists off to the right.
The definition of an Immelmann from the Coaster Force Infos page on Inversions is:"This inversion is the same as a vertical loop until the train is inverted, when the track dives off to the left or right."
Of course until it is erected we can't tell how it exactly follows/is shaped, and therefore whether it can be considered an Immelmann or just an element that is similar to one (term I've been using typically is Immelmann-like). But to me (and others on the German forums) it seems like an Immelmann (of sorts).
Or are there any experts on here who know their inversions and can say otherwise/help out?
The blue arrow is on the slightly curved LSM track - then there are two bulky supports for the curved segments - the launch will probably be like a half loop. The following support is angled to the left which suggests the track will continue that direction and together form an overall Immelmann-like element.
2nd Half
Its too early to exactly tell where it goes next, however based off the direction and height I presume the track will continue over to the curve through the towers.
Crazycoaster
Giga Poster
The answer is in the launch track itself. It’s a curved launch, meaning a certain speed will be maintained at the bottom part of the immelman. As the launch curves up the immelman, it means that it can enter the element at a slower speed, and have the train forced up further with the launch. The bottom part of the immelman is the part that would have the highest G force, but theoretically the train could take the element slower, with a speed maintained utilising the magnetic launch.
Are you aware of the fact that this high support here is only stored there temporarily and is not in its final position?
CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
You know this how? There have been countless of support parts stored on site over the past few months.
Why would they build up this ONE support if it is only being stored there? And then awkwardly squeeze it in the narrow space there between other structures and supports?
I've certainly not seen or read anything to suggest this. The true experts when it comes to this site on PhantaFriends (like Tobi) also believe it is in its final place - at least nothing has ever been said to the contrary.
Also given that the supports there almost perfectly match those of an Immelmann it would an odd coincidence for a temporary set up.
VikingsAf
Mega Poster
Seeing your picture I think you are talking about another support than the others
They say the support after the launch will be an immelman
CSLKennyNI
Giga Poster
The reason others and myself think it looks like an Immelmann is because well the support set is pretty much the same/similar.
However your theory is possible I guess. But I have my doubts because from the street view it doesn't look like it would match up very well. The angled support seems to be higher than the track's angle of descent.
Also then where would the launch lead to instead? Especially to connect up with that curve down through the towers at Wuze? It can't be directly behind as the roof of the tunnel there doesn't have any unused supports or footers.
Ah well it will interesting to see how it all comes together in the end.
I haven't seen this picture before. Do you have an unedited/not drawn on version?