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Obama at it again..

Can we please not all pick on CMonster here?

(s)he has been open and honest and willing to discuss it with us, lets not get into a bitching fest no matter what your views are.

It's not a requirement to take religion in a public school I don't think, because the point of it being public is for people to be free of any religious things in their education. Well, that's how it works over here anyway.
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My understanding talking to the parents in the office today is the Canadian (I dunno about america - from what i've seen on tv it sounds the same? lol) system is the same as the uk public school system (i.e. not specialist catholic schools and the like).. in that they cant teach you one religion as fact. But they will teach you all about ALL the different variety of religions for you to make a choice. For example a senior school will learn about christianity/islam/judaism/etc etc.

Personally I went to a catholic school.. I personally think the public school method is the right way of doing it as it stops people growing up fearing other religions (which is what you see a lot of recently), and making an educated choice on things is always a good thing (IMHO).

Afterall, if i have to make a choice on ANYTHING i like to know as much about all the various options as possible. I wouldnt take anything told to me being the "Best choice' without researching that for myself.

Once i left school, i made it my mission to read up on all the various religions, and after i did so - i came to the conslusion that they're all a pile of nonsense and am now agnostic, in that I believe i am my own god.
 
If you learn from a varied source, you learn more, and you learn to make your own arguments and judgements about the world. This is a better way of learning, surely?
 
But they will teach you all about ALL the different variety of religions for you to make a choice. For example a senior school will learn about christianity/islam/judaism/etc etc.
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Yah, we do have a religion class where you learn about a bunch of different religions, but it's not mandatory or anything. I personally didn't take it, but it might be a bit interesting, though I think I might have been interesting despite me not believing in any kind of God or anything.
 
Joey said:
CMonster said:
Ya, the main reason is not so much religious (although that's a big part of it), but just so my parents can teach me what they think would be best for me, e.g. not evolutionary science, ect. There are other reasons, but that's the biggest.
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I want to cry.

If you're void of the knowledge to start with you have no way of judging what is true or not. :(
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But I'm not void of the knowledge, I know and understand evolutionary teachings, I just don't believe them. But I could probably explain evolution to someone thoroughly.

EDIT: Oh, and I find it amusing how I'm the center of this conversation. :p
 
CMonster said:
Joey said:
CMonster said:
Ya, the main reason is not so much religious (although that's a big part of it), but just so my parents can teach me what they think would be best for me, e.g. not evolutionary science, ect. There are other reasons, but that's the biggest.
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I want to cry.

If you're void of the knowledge to start with you have no way of judging what is true or not. :(
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But I'm not void of the knowledge, I know and understand evolutionary teachings, I just don't believe them. But I could probably explain evolution to someone thoroughly.

EDIT: Oh, and I find it amusing how I'm the center of this conversation. :p
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Explain evolution to me thoroughly, please.
 
Okay, here goes...

Without cheating, I might add. :wink:

While there are many theories of how the universe started, the most popular is a big bang, where tons of space rock and such just appeared and eventually formed into planets. Earth was a volcanic planet that eventually cooled to become kind of like the one we have today.

Luckily, the big mass of space rock that eventually became earth "happened" to land the perfect distance away from the sun. Just a few degrees closer or further from the sun and Earth wouldn't be able to support life.

This was billions and billions of years ago, apparently.

Eventually, through random chance, a cell somehow "appeared" somewhere in the universe, I think just earth, but maybe other places, too.

Through a time period of millions and millions of years, the cells that the one cell reproduced started evolving in order to survive and thrive. So, maybe one cell grew a fin, so it could move faster. This one cell would be able to get more food than the other cells, so it alone would survive. All of this cell's offspring also have this special feature.

This is all supposed to happen through random chance.

Eventually, you would have started to see creatures that resemble creatures we have now. After more millions of years, the ape "evolved", and finally cave men type creatures came into existence.

Meanwhile, the oceans on earth were supposed to have risen and falled numerous times over these billions of years, creating the earth we know today.

Darwin figured this theory out by observing finches on the Galapagos Islands with different beak sizes, and declared it Evolution.

There you have it. Ignore the biased words and quotations if you like. :p
 
(Resists urge to post that god magically appeared by random chance and then proceeded to make the universe)

:lol:


... But I wont start a huge rant, because that wont be fair of me and it'd be picking on you.
 
Clam's take on creationism.. by the church of clam:

Nothing existed before i did. I have no proof anything existed before i was born, and i wasnt aware of it - so therefor it didnt exist. Nothing will exist after I die for the same reasons. Everything in the world of clam is made up by my imagination and exists purely for my own amusement (americans especially so).

I cant prove any of you exist, i cant spend a day in your minds, the only conciousness i'm aware of is my own. I'm the only person in charge of my own destiny, I scuplt the world around me to be what i want it to be, sometimes good, sometimes bad. I am my own god.

Now i instruct you all to bow down in front of your new messiah.
 
CMonster said:
Ya, the main reason is not so much religious (although that's a big part of it), but just so my parents can teach me what they think would be best for me, e.g. not evolutionary science, ect.
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Widely accepted indoctrination with a cute name. That's what homeschooling typically is. If they went to one of those "liberal brainwashing public schools", by god, they might have to be subjected to the propaganda that there are other counties in the world besides America. Or that Communism is an economic system, not some magical evil force. Or that gay and black people have feelings. Or something else scary like that. I don't wanna think about it.

LiveForTheLaunch said:
Thinking about it, it's ridiculous how I heard someone else had to pay like, $800 or something for three hours in a hospital room that wasn't private.. And I was in the hospital for four/five days after a big surgery, private room, everything.. And didn't pay a dime. Why wouldn't Americans want that?
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SOCIALISM COMMUNISM MUSLIM TERRORISTS AMERICA HAS NO MORALS LIBERALS RUINED THE COUNTRY FASCISM OBAMA HATES OUR FREEDOM WE NEED GOD THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

That's a typical Fox News segment on just about everything wrong with health care and it's no wonder why no one takes us seriously anymore.
 
SOCIALISM COMMUNISM MUSLIM TERRORISTS AMERICA HAS NO MORALS LIBERALS RUINED THE COUNTRY FASCISM OBAMA HATES OUR FREEDOM WE NEED GOD THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

That's a typical Fox News segment on just about everything wrong with health care and it's no wonder why no one takes us seriously anymore.
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Haha, well, for all you Americans out there, TAKE the free health care.. I tell you, there's nothing better than (and I know this because I use to have no coverage myself) getting $70 pills for free. Not to sound like a pill popper, but, it's nice not to have that monthly fee of $70 + whatever other medicines I need.
 
I got my nausea tablets free (well cept for the £7 prescription fee), they worked for me. If it was the US I'm sure I'd have lost a leg by now just to straighten one american tooth.
 
They're not stupid - just funny. A lot of English support the BNP - that makes them stupid, it doesnt mean ALL english are stupid.

With regards to the health care scheme read this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oc ... are-reform

With the insurance companies buying off politicians, probably paying companies like fox news to slam the idea into the ground.

when there is THAT much money at play, and that much propaghanda - people listen. People will innevitably follow the heard on a lot of things, doesnt matter which country they're from.. Look at all the people who get roped into the hype around big brother or xfactor, or whatever the current thing the media is milking.

Look at UK politics, where one tabloid paper can pretty much determine the outcome of an election - thus holding poltiicians over a barrel and making sure they'll always let murdoch do whatever he likes... Because otherwise his paper will change political allegiance and they'll lose power.

Its nothing to do with americans being "stupid", well no more than anyone else on the planet. Although I admit - it is funny to watch from the sidelines.
 
Pieman said:
Or that gay and black people have feelings.
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Who said that I hate gay and black people. I have MANY black friends, and just as many more gay friends. Just because I might disagree with being gay doesn't mean I hate them.

Stop living in the 1950s and stop assuming that all homeschooled kids or Christians hate everybody but their own kind.
 
CMonster said:
Okay, here goes...

Without cheating, I might add. :wink:

While there are many theories of how the universe started, the most popular is a big bang, where tons of space rock and such just appeared and eventually formed into planets. Earth was a volcanic planet that eventually cooled to become kind of like the one we have today.

Luckily, the big mass of space rock that eventually became earth "happened" to land the perfect distance away from the sun. Just a few degrees closer or further from the sun and Earth wouldn't be able to support life.

This was billions and billions of years ago, apparently.

Eventually, through random chance, a cell somehow "appeared" somewhere in the universe, I think just earth, but maybe other places, too.

Through a time period of millions and millions of years, the cells that the one cell reproduced started evolving in order to survive and thrive. So, maybe one cell grew a fin, so it could move faster. This one cell would be able to get more food than the other cells, so it alone would survive. All of this cell's offspring also have this special feature.

This is all supposed to happen through random chance.

Eventually, you would have started to see creatures that resemble creatures we have now. After more millions of years, the ape "evolved", and finally cave men type creatures came into existence.

Meanwhile, the oceans on earth were supposed to have risen and falled numerous times over these billions of years, creating the earth we know today.

Darwin figured this theory out by observing finches on the Galapagos Islands with different beak sizes, and declared it Evolution.

There you have it. Ignore the biased words and quotations if you like. :p
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You've failed to explain here how evolution works. In fact, you're failed to explain anything.

You know the basics everyone knows. There are tonnes of people who accept evolution and don't understand it. So, you're by far not alone. And, to be fair to you, you wouldn't learn anymore than what you've stated at school. (Well, I didn't.) So In a way you've won the argument.

But evolution is a huge, huge subject with so much evidence in it's favour it would swamp this topic to even touch on it. You haven't explained how it works, you've just outlined a timeline and stated that "things evolved" which doesn't explain anything.
 
CMonster said:
Pieman said:
Or that gay and black people have feelings.
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Who said that I hate gay and black people. I have MANY black friends, and just as many more gay friends. Just because I might disagree with being gay doesn't mean I hate them.

Stop living in the 1950s and stop assuming that all homeschooled kids or Christians hate everybody but their own kind.
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I never said you were a hateful person yourself. I'm just ranting about the kind of people who typically homeschool. A lot of parents are just terrified their kids will actually get a different side to an argument or be develop the skills required to reject the beliefs they were raised on. It's all about control. Not to single you out, but I found your parents' reasoning falls along those lines a bit.

...On a side note, they've certainly stunted your learning as far as evolution goes, because your explanation of the theory is making my nose bleed too. No offense, but it's not right at all. :roll:
 
I got my nausea tablets free (well cept for the £7 prescription fee), they worked for me. If it was the US I'm sure I'd have lost a leg by now just to straighten one american tooth.
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No that's what I mean.. We don't even HAVE prescription fees or anything.. Totally free. It's awesome! But, have you evcer seen Sicko? I know obviously it showcased the worst examples of the bad health care in America but the story where the guy lost two fingers and had to choose which one to get put back on because he only could afford one was terrible. Plus insurance companies are total screwups.. They're the biggest ripper-offers ever.
 
LiveForTheLaunch said:
No that's what I mean.. We don't even HAVE prescription fees or anything.. Totally free.
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Since when? I'll think you'll find that's either due to your age, or because of your dads medical insurance.

Either that or the East coast is free, and we're getting screwed on the west coast..

I know for a FACT that here on the West coast of canada my (expensively large) pescription would cost $100 if i didnt have my companies medical insurance.


EDIT: Yes Im right, even wikipedia agrees with me:

Although Canadians get the services of their physicians and hospitals included, they do have to meet the cost of prescription drugs themselves. Many take out insurance for this but this is not compulsory. Some people do meet some expenses themselves out of pocket.

34.3% of adults reported having no out of pocket costs for prescription drug costs. 96.2% of adults pay less than 5% of their disposable income on prescription drugs
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You must be under your parents health care insurance.
 
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