Krake - B&M dive machine for Heide Park

[nealbie]

Exactly, UC.

Missing your own point entirely.

The coaster line-up screams simplicity. So here's to another one

 

[nealbie]

*yawns*

Dear UC,

Go find a hole and poke it

I feel sorry for the poor woman/man that has to put up with your "bed talk" - but I'd certainly die of, well.... sleep

Lots of Love and Kisses,

Neal xx

 

[Pokemaniac]

I feel like an Oblivion clone would be difficult to do with all the landscaping involved. As simple as it is, Oblivion's a pretty unique ride.

Possibly we'll see an all-new design?

Well they don't necessarily need to dig a big hole to make an Oblivion clone. They could just do as with Dive Machine G5 in Taiwan and put it above ground!

Well, there's one thing with both Oblivion and G5 that has to be considered, though: The height difference between the top and station.

Oblivion goes a bit up, down a large hole, and waaay back up again, so that the difference in height level is about 20 metres, even though the drop is about 50 metres.

G5 does the same, but goes up a hill, drops down it, and turns back up into the hill again. Again, the height difference is about 20 metres.


But imagine these kinds of coasters on a flat ground. Either, you'd have to build the station up a tower (highly unlikely), or you'd have to have a gigantic lift hill, a large drop which immediately goes into brakes, to slow down the train enough as it returns to the station.

In short, if you're going to make a one-trick-pony DM, you'd need to place the station so that you don't waste a lot of energy on the drop. On flat land, you're better off building a full layout, or at least an Immelmann or a rising turn.

 

[gavin]

Well they don't necessarily need to dig a big hole to make an Oblivion clone. They could just do as with Dive Machine G5 in Taiwan and put it above ground!

The only reason an exact clone worked for Janfusun is because the station is built on top of a hill, which the drop then goes over. They were using the natural shape of the park. An Oblivion clone "just stuck above ground" wouldn't make any sense for Heide.

EDIT - Yay for writing at the same time as others are posting...

 

[nealbie]

The formation and processes of a UC argument - by Neal, aged 7

1. Outrageous statement, hastily edited to ensure maximum controversy - replied with an inquisitive retort in order to establish normality

2. Levels of outrageousness surpassed in an attempt to baffle and confuse the opponent (with the ultimate aim of winning by default) - this is usually followed by "wtf" and "get a bloody life/grip" or a combo

3. Not happy with the now heightened sense of madness, this is extended. Usually involving shovels and find yourself getting closer to China - at this stage the opponent is having cbaness and usually doesn't respond (eye rolling is common)

4. All toys are thrown out of the pram in a massive defensive tantrum with the odd personal insult for good measure - it is worth noting that at this point 'tis wise to just watch and lol until your sides hurt



So hurry up with stage 4 bitch, the popcorn's getting cold!

 

[Ben]

Haha, Neal, that's the man I love <3

 

[Crazycoaster]

^^LOL.

I like how your trying to make yourself 'the bigger man' by being as condescending as possible...

 

[nealbie]

*rolls eyes*









It would appear we're still at Stage 3

 

[andrus]

Just to correct some things that has been said regarding to my earlier posts:

I never meant that Heide should build an exact clone of Oblivion with the station 20 meters above ground. Just as Intamin made the first corner smoother and added an extra airtime hill to Desert Race (which is still considered a clone as far as I know) I believe that B&M could make a coaster like Oblivion although with the station on groundlevel instead (with taller lift hill, banked brake run etc).

Further I belive that Heide could build as big and tall as they want, but it aint sure that they want to make this coaster the biggest. The location they have choosen is very limiting unless they clear up more land or use a big part of the lake as I stated before.

And Big Loop is also as close to a clone you can come. The double loop double cork screw design is very common on old Vekoma loopers. Eg Magic Mountain at Garda Land utilizes the same design except for the lift hill.

 

[Kebab]

I was referring to that it "has to be" a dive machine since Heide (from what I read) is supposed to get a B&M. I almost <img> my pants though when you wrote eurofighter Since Heides last (coaster) addition Desert Race just simply was a clone from another Merlin park (Rita/Alton) this could be (although highly unlikely) a clone of SAW just with other theming.. And I'm already too excited so it'll be hard to keep my hopes down :wink: Heide is after all the closest big park I have!!

I hate to say this, but think back to when we all thought Thorpe Park was going for a B&M Flyer/Dive Machine. In the end it came out to be a cheap decorated Euro-Fighter; but that's Thorpe Park we're talking here.

I'm just stating, don't keep expectations too high, who knows what we will get.

 

[Nemesis Inferno]

A suitable bump for this topic don't you think?

 

[marc]

Was just about to post this as well lol.

Good addition for the park, I do not it is not just a clone though and will offer something new. The park needed another high capacity coaster so this should help.

Plus another good reason to go back there

 

[spicy]

Is it just me or that doesn't look big enough to be Dive Machine track?

Either that or its just the way the photos been taken. At least its definately not a Euro-fighter :--D

If it is a Dive Machine my guess is that it will be a Shiekra clone which isn't a bad thing at all, plus it still means Oblivion will still be the best Dive Machine in the world

 

[marc]

Will be interesting to see if it dives under the lake like the Eurofighter was going to do.

I hope its not a Shiekra clone, but if they created theming and make it dive into a hole in the lake that would make it better.

 

[A-Kid]

I just want to know what the tall fins are for on the closest bit of track. Unless thats new style brakes for new style trains....or. something. else

Edit: was getting this confused with Raptor, but whatever.

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmm, could this be the rumored B&M launch coaster???

The track seems to way too narrow to be a DM in my view, unless they do one with 4-6 seats in width, much like a B&M Eurofighter...

The the brakes, seems like they are moving the magnets to the train, could that mean that they are ditching the whole system that they have used on every coaster with magnets on the track, or is it due to that they are going to use them with a LSM system to propel the ride, since you need magnets on the train for them to work...

 

[Casio]

Surely they can't put a launch in 3 years after Desert Race? That would make the slower of the two completely pointless, but then again it definitely isn't as large as the Sheikra track.

Three of those pieces are unbanked turns, maybe the turn around between the lift and drop?

I reckon it'll be a new version with a smaller car as loefet suggested.

 

[Anonymous]

^ A launch doesn't need that it will be fast like Desert Race, maybe more like a Launch Lift just like BSG, Maverick, Hulk, etc...

May I dare to say B&M Aquatrax

 

[furie]

Is this definitely the Heide B&M and not the new stylee Gardaland one???

 

[roomraider]

well its certainly not the current style of Dive Machine track. The size looks way off at aren't the cross ties on Dive Machines flat?

So looks like it may be something else entirely.

Edit: I stand corrected. New B&M dive machines do have the tapered cross ties. Does still look a bit small though