Do you think Millennium Force has a good layout?

[CedarPoint6]

Also it is very short!

It's the 5th longest steel coaster in the world...

 

[Snoo]

Yeah.. definitely not a short ride there Mat.

 

[Almost]

In terms of elements...its short.

But the fact its 300 ft. of lift and tons of over banks...its gonna be pretty long.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

But it's ride time is very short. 2:45 (which I highly doubt. Feels about a minute and a half, TOPS) is equivalent to B&M loopers that are half as long in terms of track length.

Yeah, however you have to remember that the duration is almost all traveling through the circuit, because the lift hill only takes up like, eighteen seconds of the duration of the ride rather than the big amount of time it takes a lot of other coasters to get up their lift.

Also, I don't see why you would doubt it. The park has nothing to lose and nothing to gain by lying about the duration of the coaster.

Personally, I think the coaster has a pretty good duration. Unfortunately, the good part is over a bit too fast but the whole circuit seems to take a fair amount of time to get through. Like Brian said, statistically it's the 5th longest steel coaster in the world, so it's not a short coaster.

Dragster is short, Millennium Force isn't short.

 

[Almost]

^Exactly UC.

S:RoS is 1:26 from top of the lift to breaks. Awesome.

Millennium Force is short, Dragster is shorter,

Fixed.

 

[Ben]

Not to be defending MF or anything, but it's a bit rich from you two seeing as Toro is like, 50 seconds from top of the drop to hitting brakes.

I mean, MF might be rubbish, but the length isn't that much of a worry.

 

[Anonymous]

I think MF is a great coaster the drop is thrilling and the elavator lift hill really make it a great ride in my opinion.

 

[Almost]

^We know El Toro is short as ****. But if it was any longer and I might've **** myself. It makes up for it.


We're saying MF isn't THAT long. 5th longest? Hardly.

Not to mention MF was built on a huge plot of land:

 

[Ben]

^We know El Toro is short as <img>. But if it was any longer and I might've <img> myself. It makes up for it.

Yeah, the idea was that if it was good, then the length wouldn't matter, so the length isn't the problem, just the quality of what they do with that track.

 

[Snoo]

^And by judging from what the GP thinks, its pretty good. You gotta remember, with the space they had, you can't do much at such high speeds.

As much as I hate the layout, there isn't much more they could have done tbh.

 

[Johnny]

^Good point.

Cedar Point seemed to have crammed a whole lot of rides into one big space, which in a way is good, but then it must be harder to build longer out and back coasters.

 

[Almost]

Yeah, the idea was that if it was good, then the length wouldn't matter, so the length isn't the problem, just the quality of what they do with that track.

Agreed.

^And by judging from what the GP thinks, its pretty good. You gotta remember, with the space they had, you can't do much at such high speeds.

As much as I hate the layout, there isn't much more they could have done tbh.

The hills probably should be 10 ft shorter a piece, the overbanks smaller and they could've added a couple hills. There's (what seems like) a good chunk of land on the left of the 2 consecutive overbanks.

I'm not really sure....as I've never seen the area though.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

We're saying MF isn't THAT long. 5th longest? Hardly.

Statistically, yes, it is the fifth longest. It might not feel like it is, but technically it is.

And UC, if Millennium Force doesn't have a good enough duration for you, then that's fine. All I was saying is that it might feel shorter as a whole because usually lifts take forever to get up, and the ride feels like it's done fast, whereas on Millennium Force, the lift is done so fast, and the rest of the ride seems to go by pretty fast as well.

That's just my opinion though. If the fast lift doesn't make a difference for you, than hurrah, that's fine. I think the duration is perfectly fine, and yes I believe they could have done more even with the small space, but for me the length of the ride is just fine.

There are loads of coasters that feel like they last longer than Millennium Force, but still, it's good enough for me.

 

[youthink?]

Great post UC, I agree. With TTD there if you want extreme speed and height and Magnum there for airtime, MF just seems to try to combine both of them and the only part that was great was the first drop. And now with the recent addition of Maverick (Which pwns all of them) MF seems even more boring. Don't get me wrong I still love the ride, but there are plenty of rides I'd rather ride then Millennium again.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Wait, so a ride with a shorter beginning but fast ending will seem shorter than a ride with a fast beginning and fast ending?

Um, okay...

No, I was saying maybe it seemed shorter to you because it doesn't have like a super long lift hill like other coasters.

For the record, I find MF to be quite short. It doesn't seem like it does anything after the first drop except stall on getting back to the station for 30 seconds.

I fully agree when you say it doesn't do much after the first drop, but I disagree when you say the duration is short. The duration is still long but there's nothing amazing done with the circuit except like, the drop.

Right, and that's where we're going to have to agree to disagree. I personally think 1:00 is perfectly acceptable - assuming the ride actually does something for that one minute worth of ride time. MF has a first drop and then does basically nothing. THAT'S where my problem lies.

Okay fine then, a misunderstanding. It definitely seemed like you were saying the duration felt really short, but if you just mean that there's not much done with the layout, that's fine, I agree.

And I'm not whipping this card out to be a dick, but I thought that way too - until I was able to ride other coasters.

MF was very high up in my list at one point. However, so was Nitro (at one point Nitro was my #1) and rides like Medusa. Nowadays, that's simply not the case. MF doesn't appeal to me anymore, because I've seen (and experienced) what other coasters can do with similar ride times and track lengths - and it makes me wonder how a ride so priviledged in track length can do so little.

THAT's my issue with MF.

UGH! I hate when you pull the coaster count card because right now there's nothing that can be done about me going on more coasters. I've slated and put down Millennium Force so many times on these boards, and I think it's known that I don't think the ride is perfect at all, and it's like, tied for my number three ride out of a count of like, 45.

I'll be going to Six Flags Great Adventure in under four days, so we'll see where Millennium Force stands after that, and I'm sure my opinion will go down on it once again, but like I said before, I pretty much like every coaster I ride and can say something good about every coaster in my coaster count (not like there's many coasters in my count but anyway), so chances are I'll still like Millennium Force as long as the drop still thrills me. It might go down in ranking as my count goes up, but I'll still find good things to say about it, I'm sure.

Did that last paragraph make any sense? If it didn't let me know, becuase it made sense to me but when I read it over it really didn't.

So I hope I understand correctly what you're saying, and if I do understand what you're saying, I agree with you, and I hope you see what I'm saying too no matter how bad of an explanation it was!

 

[Ben]

Ultimate - about 4:00, +/-

It's more like 6 and a half, to add a little to your point.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Alright UC, I don't want to continue on arguing, but I guess I'll reply one last time. But after this, I don't think I'll reply again.

1:00 is perfectly acceptable - if the ride does things to back it up. The fact that MF is such a long (statistically) coaster, and does relatively nothing, means that the duration of the ride is very short for its length.

Probably because the elements are way bigger and way more drawn out than they need to be? When you think about it, like Matt said, the coaster is on a huge plot of land, so it stretches out really far, and it's a shame the elements are all drawn out or have a lot of turns in between them, because like you said, they could've done a lot more.

No, I was saying maybe it seemed shorter to you because it doesn't have like a super long lift hill like other coasters.

I'd hardly call a 30 second lift hill "super long".

If you want "Super long", take a look at SD2K. That thing actually has two lift chains built into one hill...

I don't mean small coasters, I mean coaster that would be around the 200 foot range. I doubt it only takes 30 seconds to get up a 200 foot tall lift hill. I'm thinking more along the lines of a minute.

Either way, Millennium Force's lift is much faster than pretty much every other lift out there except for like, Toro's and stuff.

However, the lift is kind of irrelevant, I was just saying that maybe you find the duration so short because the lift is so short and the circuit seems to go by fast, but I guess not. I was just making a suggestion, and I guess I was wrong so, oh well for me?

They should tear down Millennium Force, melt the steel, and use it for something more useful. Airgates in a replacement coaster's station, perhaps.

I'd keep it simply for the drop if I'm being honest. I'm not going to go so far to say I'd like it torn down. But again, irrelavent, but I just felt like pointing out my thoughts about the coaster.

See, this is where your problem lies - you figure "Oh, well UC is attacking me for not being on more rides! Wahhhh!"

No, I know you're not attacking me. No matter how much you argue on the boards, you never really personally attack anyone.

And that's fine by me. That's your opinion, and to be honest, I could really give a sh*t less about it, just as you could probably give a sh*t less about mine.

I wouldn't say that, I actually do value your opinion because you've been on more coasters than me and whatnot, but as for the coasters we've both been on, our opinions differ somewhat, but that's alright, I still respect your opinion and listen to what you have to say about rides I haven't been on.

Whereas I seem to take a "Well, that one element was good, but the coaster as a whole kind of sucked, so it's not that high in my ratings" approach, what you just essentially told me is that your general approach is "I LOVE EVERYBODY!"

Well no, but I feel as if the drop on Millennium Force, considering it's one of only two elements on any coaster I'll probably ever ride or have ever ridden which still gives me a huge rush and makes me all nervous, and it's the best drop I've been on, that's why it's tied for my number 3. The drop, in my opinion, makes up for the rest of the "meh" layout.

Also, I do pretty much love every coaster. I obviously like some more than others, but I'm sure some people heard me at the live pretty much saying I love every ride and coaster we went on (I think Nate was the one who said "you love everything" to me).

Hell, even I can say good things about MF

And I can say many negative things about it as well, which I'm sure you've heard me do. It's not even a decent coaster layout wise, but I love the drop and the speed I suppose.

However, over time and after gaining much more coastering experience, I find too much at fault with the ride to ever really look at it in an overall positive light again.

Yeah, and I hope to gain as much experience as you have, but I dunno what will happen in the case of Millennium Force!

Hopefully I got your point this time. I think you got mine.

 

[Anonymous]

You know, you can't really compare MF to Maverick. They're designed 7 years apart and technology has improved between the two. Maverick is designed to be a tricky topsy-turvy kind of ride with plenty of airtime that keeps you on your toes. MF was designed to be tall and fast with not a lot of gut wrenching twists and turns.

One thing I will say is this: MF has aged well. It is still a relatively smooth ride. I doubt Maverick will fair as well as it ages just because of the twists and turns and the sheer torsion on the tracks.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, aren't you a charmer. I'm standing by my opinion, as I assume I am welcome to it as you are welcome to your own opinions.

Cheers :wink:

 

[Nadia]

No! I went on it last week and it didn't live up to my expectation at all, after the drop, it was just speed and nothing else to keep me interested, so imo nah not a good layout!!