elephant58
Hyper Poster
^A 4D maybe.
Cedar Point | "GateKeeper" | B&M Wingrider
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Derpy enough, I am accually planning a 4d with a pretzel loop in Nolimits.elephant58 said:
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Taxi
Mega Poster
Very true. The train is "winged" designed. You cant exactly throw the train through a 5G barrel roll and expect it not to fall apart. Maybe with a inverted train, or really any other type of train, since the all the forces are dealt with directly above the track. In the case of the wing coasters, the forces are more spread out, and so are the forces.
bob_3_
Giga Poster
The wing-coaster trains can handle high positive G forces, however they can't do fast rotation as that would cause extreme lateral forces, which are not what B&M like!
This means it looks like it goes through inversions slowly, but that's just because it's a slow rotation, the trains actually going pretty fast. The Swarm claims to pull +4.5Gs!
This means it looks like it goes through inversions slowly, but that's just because it's a slow rotation, the trains actually going pretty fast. The Swarm claims to pull +4.5Gs!
Well, B&M wing trains are neither as heavy nor as delicate in structure as X2's old trains (or even the new ones as well).
As that did withstand >4.5G at the first drop, there is no reason to believe B&M's can't.
Dive machines are probably another example.
However I agree that it must rotate slowly to avoid excessive lateral forces. The 0g roll is able to be stretched through two keyholes some 15m apart, which means the whole rotation would be around 30m; Other coaster styles only have a tiny twist for such a roll.
Also, 5G barrel roll? derp.
As that did withstand >4.5G at the first drop, there is no reason to believe B&M's can't.
Dive machines are probably another example.
However I agree that it must rotate slowly to avoid excessive lateral forces. The 0g roll is able to be stretched through two keyholes some 15m apart, which means the whole rotation would be around 30m; Other coaster styles only have a tiny twist for such a roll.
Also, 5G barrel roll? derp.
Taxi
Mega Poster
Ethan said:I thought they were going to be concrete, but obviously not. Some of us were right about them being supports though, not that everyone believed that
They were shown to be supports since it was announced. Of course people think their ideas are what's fact, not what the park tells them... :roll:
rcjp
Roller Poster
Taxi said:
I don't see why they are not meant to be intense. Maybe because parks don't want such rides anymore but i believe B&M would be capable of building an intense wing coaster as they are such great engineers, it would certainly be possible. And it´s not just the wingriders that are less intense than older B&M's but also most of the coasters that they have been building lately. At least from what I've read and ridden that's the impression get. Still, i do really like them and their coasters and they are still my favorite manufacturer.
Taxi said:Ethan said:I thought they were going to be concrete, but obviously not. Some of us were right about them being supports though, not that everyone believed that
They were shown to be supports since it was announced. Of course people think their ideas are what's fact, not what the park tells them... :roll:
I was just uncertain when I asked the question. It could of been either way at the time since we didn't have enough evidence showing the keyholes acted as the support structure. Now I'm certainly convinced...
reddude333
Giga Poster
^^B&Ms just tend to be more graceful and considerably less forceful than similar coasters from other manufacturers. That is not to say they are less enjoyable or even less intense necessarily. What makes a ride "intense" isn't just forces, it can also be the overall proportions of the coaster or the location or near-miss elements (such as the keyholes) etc. It's hard to tell at this point if Gatekeeper will be intense but I think it's fair to say it will pack a bigger punch than the other Wing Coasters to date.
D1993
Hyper Poster
While yes, wing riders are not exactly forceful, you cannot make that generalization about B&M's in general.
And just for the record I am not saying this to anyone in particular, but just in general.
B&M have ceated some of the most forceful rides in existence. I am sure I do not need to go on about Nemesis and the numerous amount of forceful inverted coasters (Montu, Talon, Aterburn).
Let's also not forget Nitro's and Goliath's helix's ... both very forceful.
Point is, B&M have plenty of forceful coasters and I don't think that was the point with the wing riders.
They were made with a very specific purpose and I think they do the job perfectly.
My only complaint is the restraints. I got massively auto stapled on Wild Eagle.
I hope people don't expect gatekeeper to be forceful, though, cos it really wont be. Its not what the wing riders are designed to be.
And just for the record I am not saying this to anyone in particular, but just in general.
B&M have ceated some of the most forceful rides in existence. I am sure I do not need to go on about Nemesis and the numerous amount of forceful inverted coasters (Montu, Talon, Aterburn).
Let's also not forget Nitro's and Goliath's helix's ... both very forceful.
Point is, B&M have plenty of forceful coasters and I don't think that was the point with the wing riders.
They were made with a very specific purpose and I think they do the job perfectly.
My only complaint is the restraints. I got massively auto stapled on Wild Eagle.
I hope people don't expect gatekeeper to be forceful, though, cos it really wont be. Its not what the wing riders are designed to be.
elephant58
Hyper Poster
^The only 2 B&Ms being built 2013/14 are both wing coasters.