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Anyone plan on going to CP the day of the announcement? I will be there along with my girlfriend. I know there was a Live just this past weekend, but it'd be cool if some other CF'ers were in attendance!
 
There's nothing mysterious about the piece for the bottom of the lift. B&M is not doing a vertical lift nor an "extra steep" lift nor does any of this speculation confirm no turn at the top. Their lift base section is designed the same way they've designed the lift bases for every coaster over the last few years. Take a look at the photos at the following link and it's quite clear that these pieces are for a standard dive machine lift:

http://www.kicentral.com/forums/index.p ... alk/page-8
 
[strike]^^I'll be driving back from PA that day but at only an hour added to my drive, I might actually try to swing through, maybe knock out the Cleveland kiddie credit on the way. Any posting as to what time it is?[/strike]
EDIT: Sorry, I was being a tool and got that date wrong, I'll be back by then. I'll almost certainly have to work that night but if I don't I'll see what I can do.
 
Jarrett said:
[strike]^^I'll be driving back from PA that day but at only an hour added to my drive, I might actually try to swing through, maybe knock out the Cleveland kiddie credit on the way. Any posting as to what time it is?[/strike]
EDIT: Sorry, I was being a tool and got that date wrong, I'll be back by then. I'll almost certainly have to work that night but if I don't I'll see what I can do.
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Well hopefully you can make it!
 
Antinos said:
There's nothing mysterious about the piece for the bottom of the lift. B&M is not doing a vertical lift nor an "extra steep" lift nor does any of this speculation confirm no turn at the top. Their lift base section is designed the same way they've designed the lift bases for every coaster over the last few years. Take a look at the photos at the following link and it's quite clear that these pieces are for a standard dive machine lift:

http://www.kicentral.com/forums/index.p ... alk/page-8
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Not being funny but I can see what pictures you mean.
All i could see on that link were the same pictures of the track in the yard.
I'm happy to believe you but I just cant see the pictures you mean :S
 
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That image, which is about 2/3 of the way down. It shows a standard dive machine lifthill section - no Fury type lifthill sections or anything out of the ordinary. The support connector also appears to yield a 45 degree lift simply because the side looks like a 45-45-90 right triangle.

EDIT: Compare to Diving Coaster's lift:

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Photo credit: RCDB
 
* Stokes the fire *

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news ... er-coaster

The amusement park company that operates Cedar Point and Kings Island in Ohio says it will try out virtual reality on a roller coaster at one of its theme parks.

Cedar Fair Chief Executive Matt Ouimet says it will happen later this year and that it's part of the company's move to combine technology with its rides.
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^, ^^, ^^^ I heard a rumor that Alton Towers wants to do it to Air, I was dismissing it as hogwash until I saw that. I don't think they'll do it with Valravn, however. I'm getting the vibe they'll want to use the plot's proximity to the lake to their advantage; hold you before the drop looking out at the lake. Dive machines are visual one-trick ponies, from my experience. I feel like strapping some stupid headset on you wouldn't be half as terrifying as just being held there, waiting to fall down to the ground 200+ feet below.

I do, however, completely support the idea of an augmented reality coaster. Imagine sitting down on Fury 325, strapping on a pair of Google Glass with a glasses strap, and with the help of 3D audio and visuals, you're in the middle of a swarm of hornets zipping inches from your head creating a deafening drone, with the really close ones noticeably having their own sound to them. Or being shot out on Volcano and spiraling around the mountain as smoke and fire rains down on you. Just an idea I had the other day but I feel this is an appropriate place to share it.

Back on topic, I would be fine with it on a flat, and as GuyWithAStick said, Sledgehammer would be a good choice since you're already stuck looking at someone else. Crypt I could also see, since it doesn't make sense for a ride with that name and theme to be outdoors. I'd also like to throw out Riptide at KBF since they could easily do something with that concept and the park's gotten some technology love from Cedar Fair before with VttIR, as well as Southern Star at Carowinds. Kings Island could also use this as an excuse to convert Delirium over to something Halloween-themed to go with Banshee and Bat; there are a lot of good opportunities there. However, that link did say roller coaster, so if we're talking coasters, my guess would be an Arrow since Huss worked with Arrow but I wouldn't rule out another manufacturer. I personally feel like Iron Dragon would be a good candidate, since it doesn't have much historical significance, has some force to it, but other than that, isn't a terribly impressive ride. Since Huss might know the ride pretty well, maybe they could be in charge of adding virtual reality headsets to it. If this Huss-Arrow theory holds no water, I could also see Talon, Raptor, or one of the Vekoma flyers getting it.

Just my thoughts on the matter...
 
Mack did VR tests last year, even announced it as a product in their portfolio. Doesn't surprise me that more companies are getting in on the act.

That article also makes it sound like what Mack did, just a random test on a ride or two to see if it's worth investing in - rather than the concept for a new attraction.

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^I saw that instantly thought of that when I read the article. The whip I rode at Camden Park was sick, Kings Island should totally get one in Coney Mall, maybe over by Backlot in that neglected corner by the dodgems.
 
Antinos said:
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That image, which is about 2/3 of the way down. It shows a standard dive machine lifthill section - no Fury type lifthill sections or anything out of the ordinary. The support connector also appears to yield a 45 degree lift simply because the side looks like a 45-45-90 right triangle.

EDIT: Compare to Diving Coaster's lift:

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Photo credit: RCDB
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I think we are talking cross purposes. I'm not referring to anything you can see on that Diving Coaster picture at all.

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I'm talking about the way the spine extends into the floor.
The way Fury, Leviathan and Gatekeeper do.

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(ignore the little red box) you can see the spine of the lift continuing to be anchored to the ground
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Same on the drop side which on Fury and Leviathan at least forms an arch.

The arch isnt possible if theres a turn at the top.
But then again Gatekeeper doesnt form an arch so who knows. It is just speculation :p
 
Same with X-Flight. It anchors down, and doesn't arch. I noticed that B&Ms with the larger spines have the chain return in them. I think that's a main reason for the larger spines?

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They will probably anchor the base of the lift like they've standardized over the past few years, but that doesn't automatically signify an arch at all. The ultra thick spine on Leviathan and Fury is used to mitigate the higher than normal stresses caused by self weight and sheer size of the lift. That's why B&M was smart to utilize an arch design and extend their spine into the ground - the damn thing is so tall, it's best to self support what can be self supported. Dive machines, on the other hand, have a thicker (and wider) spine for other reasons. A typical B&M train is four seats per car with eight cars per train. Dive machines are ten seats with three cars...all standard common knowledge for enthusiasts. Now each section of track from one support to the next can be simplified down to a simply supported beam where the weight of the train is the load applied in the center of the beam (worst case scenario in beam loading). A longer eight car train has its load distributed over a large section of track due to its length whereas a dive machine train has all of its massive weight distributed over a small length. These different distributions of load yield different bending moments in each support and ultimately different stresses (higher for dive machines).

These images aren't exact cases, but they should get the point across enough:

Dive machine:
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Photo credit: Leancrew

Normal train:
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Photo credit: eFunda


tl;dr - there's nothing strange about what they're doing with the lift.
 
Intricks said:
http://www.latimes.com/travel/themeparks/la-trb-cedar-fair-flat-rides-20150806-story.html#page=1

Basically, Ouimett is planning on bringing some classics from Europe back to the states and put them in unknown Cedar Fair parks. This is pretty awesome if you ask me cause that means I may be getting more Whips!

Yay~~~
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#BringBackSchwabinchen

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I am a super fan of this concept - I adore the classic flat rides like Bayern Curve, Whip, etc. It would be cool to envision a truly great, classic flat ride at every Cedar Fair park.
 
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