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CrashCoaster
CF Legend
Im not sure how well it's going to do throughput wise. On the animation, there are only 16pp train, and it says that on RCDB. Its supposed to run 3 trains, so I'm not sure. 1000 - 1200pph?
DelPiero
Strata Poster
Just to dispel the Myth regarding Helix and people being not happy with the layout when it was announced, sorry but that's a load of rubbish.
Here is the original layout - from 17:40 onwards;
[youtubevid]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts6KIydz65A[/youtubevid]
Everyone on here was going crazy at the layout, then they improved it to how it is today, with again, everyone happy with the changes. Helix is the perfect example of everyone being happy with what was proposed, and it actually being better than imagined.
Here's the original Helix construction thread, baffling it only got to 30 pages really.
http://forums.coasterforce.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=34997&hilit=Helix
Regarding throughput, anything over 1000 pph is great, just hope they run all 3.
Here is the original layout - from 17:40 onwards;
[youtubevid]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts6KIydz65A[/youtubevid]
Everyone on here was going crazy at the layout, then they improved it to how it is today, with again, everyone happy with the changes. Helix is the perfect example of everyone being happy with what was proposed, and it actually being better than imagined.
Here's the original Helix construction thread, baffling it only got to 30 pages really.
http://forums.coasterforce.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=34997&hilit=Helix
Regarding throughput, anything over 1000 pph is great, just hope they run all 3.
ThomVD
Giga Poster
^ I was going to say, people actually complained about the layout of Helix? Seven inversions, multiple airtime hills, two launches and following the terrain isn't enough to satisfy people? I mean, I get that Mack megas always look slower and weaker on POVs than they actually are, but slating the layout is just weird.
That said, this will be better than it looks too, I'm sure. With the fabulous Mack trains, the airtime moments, inversions and transitions will be loads of fun.
That said, this will be better than it looks too, I'm sure. With the fabulous Mack trains, the airtime moments, inversions and transitions will be loads of fun.
CrashCoaster
CF Legend
[youtubevid]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w9tVlgzAu0[/youtubevid]
[youtubevid]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4aCihZYxvE[/youtubevid]
Literally just put these video links on here cause no one else has...
[Edit - Added POV as well - Hyde]
[youtubevid]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4aCihZYxvE[/youtubevid]
Literally just put these video links on here cause no one else has...
[Edit - Added POV as well - Hyde]
Hate to say it, I'm also in the slightly disappointed camp. Given how much it was hyped by those who had info I was expecting something comparable to Helix in terms of speed and intensity. My first thought upon seeing the animation was "family coaster".
It looks better on the POV, but it almost looks sped up? Like it won't actually be that fast in real life?
It looks better on the POV, but it almost looks sped up? Like it won't actually be that fast in real life?
TheCoasterCruiser
Giga Poster
Yeah the argument that people were disappointed when the Helix layout was released is invalid.
Also, Helix is awesome, but the trick track section up the hill (wannabe Intamin - Cheetah Hunt, Juvelen) has not turned out very well in my opinion, so it makes me a bit nervous to see all those sections on this one..
Again, I think it looks like a great coaster and the interactions will make it really cool, I'm just trying to share my views on it.
Kinda sad that it's apparently frowned upon to do so in this thread and that I have to end every post with praising it so people don't think I hate it.
Also, Helix is awesome, but the trick track section up the hill (wannabe Intamin - Cheetah Hunt, Juvelen) has not turned out very well in my opinion, so it makes me a bit nervous to see all those sections on this one..
Again, I think it looks like a great coaster and the interactions will make it really cool, I'm just trying to share my views on it.
Kinda sad that it's apparently frowned upon to do so in this thread and that I have to end every post with praising it so people don't think I hate it.
CoasterCrazy
Giga Poster
When I first saw the POV, not gonna lie, I felt a little disappointed too, but after re watching and analysing it, it's really grown on me!
It was probably the stats that I felt most disappointed about, but we all know, POVs are quite misleading when it comes to height and when we compare them to other rival coasters, or those in the same category, it's clear to see this has serious potential. A height of 90ft may not be particularly visually imposing, but remember, that's twice the height of Nemesis (even though it's a terrain coaster) and only about 10ft smaller than Taron? Both of those are undoubtedly two of the most intense coasters on the planet and come to think of it, Taron's layout is similarly dominated by snaking curves. Therefore, the arguments that can't be intense or filled with airtime, are invalid. It could end up being pedestrian, sure, but it all depends on how they dial in the launch.
As others have alluded to, it'll be the interactions with other rides, the support structure and the tunnels (having two tunnels is wonderful, as they can really enhance the experience) which embellish the experience. There are quite a few features which I'm really excited about which are not that clear in the video:
- That first 'top hat' element looks actually more like a really steep airtime Hill. Assuming the launch speed is fast enough, and weather conditions permit, that could well become the best airtime moment in the UK. Admittedly that's not hard though
- The fist Stengel(ish) dive actually goes directly over Steeplechase...which will be awesome for anyone on either of the coasters!
- Then there's the following turn, which may well be taken very quickly as it's in some kind of trough of some kind, a little like Cheetah Hunt?
- The inline on Blue Fire comes quite late in the layout, so this may also have the whip to it - especially since it is indeed inclined.
- Definitely some airtime on the two hills before the second launch, then there's a big hill parallel to the launches which looks really good too.
- There may also be some unexpected airtime elsewhere!
- The ride time of 2:30 actually makes it a good 20 seconds longer than Helix?
Then of course, there's the chance some of it could be redesigned - it'd be really nice to see a pop of airtime before the brakes (it seems to meander a bit in the current design)and possibly a snappy corkscrew.
On a side note, are we sure the 80kph figure is legit? RCDB isn't listing it, and neither are the articles (at least the ones I've seen). Still, that's 50 mph, which is just as fast as Nemesis.
I will certainly reserve some further judgement until I ride it
Finally, would it be at all possible for both trains to be on the launches simultaneously? I somehow doubt it, but if they could it would be incredible...
It was probably the stats that I felt most disappointed about, but we all know, POVs are quite misleading when it comes to height and when we compare them to other rival coasters, or those in the same category, it's clear to see this has serious potential. A height of 90ft may not be particularly visually imposing, but remember, that's twice the height of Nemesis (even though it's a terrain coaster) and only about 10ft smaller than Taron? Both of those are undoubtedly two of the most intense coasters on the planet and come to think of it, Taron's layout is similarly dominated by snaking curves. Therefore, the arguments that can't be intense or filled with airtime, are invalid. It could end up being pedestrian, sure, but it all depends on how they dial in the launch.
As others have alluded to, it'll be the interactions with other rides, the support structure and the tunnels (having two tunnels is wonderful, as they can really enhance the experience) which embellish the experience. There are quite a few features which I'm really excited about which are not that clear in the video:
- That first 'top hat' element looks actually more like a really steep airtime Hill. Assuming the launch speed is fast enough, and weather conditions permit, that could well become the best airtime moment in the UK. Admittedly that's not hard though
- The fist Stengel(ish) dive actually goes directly over Steeplechase...which will be awesome for anyone on either of the coasters!
- Then there's the following turn, which may well be taken very quickly as it's in some kind of trough of some kind, a little like Cheetah Hunt?
- The inline on Blue Fire comes quite late in the layout, so this may also have the whip to it - especially since it is indeed inclined.
- Definitely some airtime on the two hills before the second launch, then there's a big hill parallel to the launches which looks really good too.
- There may also be some unexpected airtime elsewhere!
- The ride time of 2:30 actually makes it a good 20 seconds longer than Helix?
Then of course, there's the chance some of it could be redesigned - it'd be really nice to see a pop of airtime before the brakes (it seems to meander a bit in the current design)and possibly a snappy corkscrew.
On a side note, are we sure the 80kph figure is legit? RCDB isn't listing it, and neither are the articles (at least the ones I've seen). Still, that's 50 mph, which is just as fast as Nemesis.
I will certainly reserve some further judgement until I ride it
Finally, would it be at all possible for both trains to be on the launches simultaneously? I somehow doubt it, but if they could it would be incredible...
mouse
Giga Poster
Well this press release has certainly got people talking, now to sustain people's interest until it opens.
Here's a round-up of some of the more... interesting Facebook statuses I came across in the Trending section...
Some people are also getting confused by the Mack logo on the video, thinking that's the name of the ride.
Also, the bad press from all the Smiler stuff is still on people's minds:
Finally, I liked this comment:
Here's a round-up of some of the more... interesting Facebook statuses I came across in the Trending section...
Can't remember the names of the posters of these two comments, but I'm pretty sure they're both over 50, have a moustache, and live in a bungalow with their long-suffering wives who make their dinner while they complain about things. And they're both called Brian.
I think this person didn't see the 15 interactions bit.
Does that make every launched coaster a rip-off of Cheetah Hunt? I guess maybe the colour. I can understand the comparison though, unlike this one:
Another Brian.
Some people are also getting confused by the Mack logo on the video, thinking that's the name of the ride.
Also, the bad press from all the Smiler stuff is still on people's minds:
Finally, I liked this comment:
Tee hee!
airtime_uk_ash
Mega Poster
I think the vr would have been used for a PoV demo nothing more! What you will see as you twist and turn around this incredible layout is what will make this ride!
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Just a couple of things...
The trains will feature a light package and on-ride audio.
Also, I too do not believe the 80kph figure. All the concept videos showed 100kph. "+100kph" is even spray painted on the ground at the start of where Launch 1 will be. I believe in a few months time we will see another announcement for the name, theme and improved top speed.
The trains will feature a light package and on-ride audio.
Also, I too do not believe the 80kph figure. All the concept videos showed 100kph. "+100kph" is even spray painted on the ground at the start of where Launch 1 will be. I believe in a few months time we will see another announcement for the name, theme and improved top speed.
GuyWithAStick
Captain Basic
How dare they! Those VR Phones could've been donated to the poor!
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airtime_uk_ash
Mega Poster
Temleh said:
Not that I have any reason to not believe you you but why would they announce the ride with a slower speed than they plan to deliver?
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