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The moon landings

Did man walk on the moon?

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I dont care if you think im stupid or whatever. I think that the film footage of the moon landings is all fake. My main reason for this is that I have watched many documentrys & I research alot of different subjects with my free time. I have watched Donald Rumsfield & Henry Kissenger laugh & joke about how they faked the film with Nixon. If you dont believe me look it up yourself. Think its on this link [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOItuKm5UE[/youtube] If you research the subject you will know the footage is fake. If anyone wants me to burn them a dvd of this for ghosterforce I will do it free of charge. Contact me. Also dont get me started on 9/11 lol . :p
 
Just some questions then Phil.

Do you believe that man has gone into space?
Do you believe (as in that documentary), that the Russians landed a craft on the moon?
Do you believe we've had craft land on Mars?
If the moon landings could be faked, couldn't also the evidence AGAINST the moon landings also be faked?
How do you keep 400,000 people involved quiet on the subject they know was a lie?

These are just things that spring to mind without any research at all that immediately say "it must have happened"...
 
Screw you all!

Glise 581 is the new black!

To be honest, I really like space so I want to make a bit more effort in this next post about the moon landings and **** but the ammount of hoax "evidence" and the explinations being put into practice pretty much seals the deal that they were real for me. The stuff that Mythbusters is also another nail.

I would like to actually research this stuff more but dispite being highly interested in space the whole thing just right out terrifies me. Some of the stuff that exists (not like aliens and stuff) just makes me feel uneasy.

This is just and artists interpritation but...

Carbon_Planet.JPG


If I was flying around in my little jetsons car and saw that, I'd fill my pants.

Thats my tangent done.
 
furie said:
Just some questions then Phil.

Do you believe that man has gone into space?
Do you believe (as in that documentary), that the Russians landed a craft on the moon?
Do you believe we've had craft land on Mars?
If the moon landings could be faked, couldn't also the evidence AGAINST the moon landings also be faked?
How do you keep 400,000 people involved quiet on the subject they know was a lie?

These are just things that spring to mind without any research at all that immediately say "it must have happened"...[/quote

I do believe that man has gone into space. Im not sure if the Russians have landed or not but I think that if the Americans or Russians have landed they would have some real footage & make alot of fuss about it. So since hearing Rumsfelt & Kissenger admit that the current film is fake & they was at the time of the fake moon landings the top men after the then President Nixon. The conclusion from this is that they probably havent been. The radiation in space is so great that the astronauts would have died not long after returning anyway if they had stepped out on the moon.
I believe that nasa have sent a probe to mars. I also found it interesting how earth like the footage is.
I cannot say weather the evidence against the moon landings is fake but I cant see anything to be gained from faking evidence against it? There is money to be made & claims on the moon by faking the moon landings & pretending to go. Plus a presidents ratings rise.
Out of the 40,000 people you refer to not many people would have to be aware of faking a film & lying. Most of the 400,000 would only hear what they are told from the people above them or what they see on tv like the rest of the world. Lots of secrets are kept from the public.
 
Philthy said:
If you research the subject you will know the footage is fake.

Bollocks. Every "theory" is easily disproved with a bit of intelligent thought and knowledge.

Give me some examples of things they faked and how you know they were faked...
 
The 400,000 people are people who supplies parts and services to the moon missions. These were all paid for by the government, millions upon millions of dollars and thousands of man hours.

All so they could make a set? You say you can't understand why the evidence against would be faked, but I can't understand why the landing would be faked. They spent the money, they made the craft capable of doing it, they trained the astronauts. Everything needed to do the space landing was sorted and ready.

So why then go "well, actually, we can so it, but can't be arsed, make a film instead".

It doesn't make sense.

However, if I write a book providing evidence that the moon landings were faked, I can make millions of pounds profit and make myself famous.

So on the one hand you have the US government making a moon capable landing craft and spending hundreds of millions on it (provable money spent on making a moon landing happen).

On the other, you have people who are making millions out of saying it never happened.

Do you trust the people who it has cost millions, or the people making millions? I'm very cynical, and will always say that the people who aren't making anything are more likely to be telling the truth. Lack of payback is a good indicator of sincerity.

I didn't know the Russians had landed a moon module (unmanned) until I watched the link you posted Phil. If it's in a documentary saying the landings are faked, it must be true???

Moon radiation levels are fine for short visits, as long as there's no particularly bad solar episodes at the time. A quick Google and look at the results show that this is commonly accepted scientific fact, like the Earth has gravity, the boiling point of water, etc, etc, etc.

The evidence comes for a relatively new lunar module currently orbitting the moon and taking readings to prepare for a proposed return to the moon in 2020. They wish to understand the radiation effects over a long term to plan for people to stay on the moon for greater lengths of time.
 
SnooSnoo said:
Martyn said:
Philthy said:
If you research the subject you will know the footage is fake.

Bollocks. Every "theory" is easily disproved with a bit of intelligent thought and knowledge.

Give me some examples of things they faked and how you know they were faked...

And then you can go to this website:


http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html


..which Tarka kindly provided.. to prove it even more.


I think that to refer to what I believe to be true as " bollocks" & to imply that I have no intelligent thought or knowledge is not what I expect to be getting from fellow coasterforce people. I could name call or be abusive very easily & if you want to actually discuss subjects like this then I dont want to be on getting anymore comments like that. I am respectful of other peoples views & will read & watch links & make my own mind up.
Most facts start out as a "theory" & need to be investigated & not instantly dismissed. Otherwise people would think the world is flat & not believe in gravity etc,
The bad astronomy link is interesting & I have taken on board some of the views of the author & some are valid although he only seems to deal with the images & some of the science but fails to takle the part which is most striking to me about the film which is the Kissenger/Rumsfelt etc. admitting that they faked it. These people were the top advisors to the president & they are on record saying they faked the film. Also some of the explanations for things like having two shadows & the cross stripes that the bad astronomy man points out are not convincing & sound like he is clutching at far fetched straws. Im not a moon landing specialist & dont claim to be but this site & link just seems like another mans opinion to me & im not convinced.
Phils points about money & the moon to me are answered in the film. The taxpayers pay the billions & dont complain because they want man on the moon so bad. While the polititions hand out the contracts to the businessmen who in turn fund the polititions. They fake the film & make the claim to being the first there & rights to it etc. While the few at the top take the cash provided by the taxpayers. Its all explained in the film. Plus all the examples that martyn wants are on there too. Watch the link and make your own mind up but dont personally attack me for having my own mind.
 
I would just like to point out that may partner is NOT thick but open minded unlike others on here!

He has not forced his beliefs on you just shown you how he feels on the matter so put your handbags away and discuss thoughts and theories like grown ups not kids in a playground!
 
^No offence, but that's exactly what UC just did. Granted it was phrased a little harshly, but all he did was reasonably discuss the reason why Philthy was wrong.

I don't see the problem here...
 
Philthy said:
I think that to refer to what I believe to be true as " bollocks" & to imply that I have no intelligent thought or knowledge is not what I expect to be getting from fellow coasterforce people. I could name call or be abusive very easily & if you want to actually discuss subjects like this then I dont want to be on getting anymore comments like that. I am respectful of other peoples views & will read & watch links & make my own mind up.

Whoa, hang on a minute! I'm not name calling or being abusive. You claimed that "If you research the subject you will know the footage is fake", and I think that's bollocks. I have researched the subject and I still don't think the footage is fake. It's just a disagreement.
I wasn't implying you don't have any intelligent thought or knowledge either, I was just saying that all the theories are easily disproved by applying some. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you, but you have to admit that for every conspiracy theory, there is a logical explanation, which can be used to disprove it.

Karen, I'm not calling Phil thick, I may have only met him once, but I know he's a nice guy and a good laugh and I don't want to fall out with him, but I feel very strongly about this subject and obviously so does he, so we're going to disagree. All we're trying to do is explain that there's a logical answer to every question that he's raising. I physically cannot comprehend why people still refuse to believe it happened when all the evidence against it is quite simple to disprove.

UC may have been a bit aggressive, but y'know, you're not going to change him, and in this case, it looks like he had good reason to be.
 
With all due respect Karen, UC is correct.

His so called 'evidence' has been proven completely false. Time and again, he threw this in our faces as 'proof' the moon landings were fake.. and with the research his told us all to do.. proved quite the contrary did it not?

Phil can have any opinion he wants and I'll defend him on that.. but to be so adamant on something which is clearly and obviously wrong deserves the UC spanking which it received.

I really hope this doesn't put this off you off posting Phil. This was a simple discussion my friend.
 
Just because it's on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's true. ANYONE can put info on there, it's their opinions of what they see as fact. How is Wikipedia creditable fact?
 
^What and the IMBD pages are too?

No. Didn't think so.
 
Firstly Uc might want to take note of this for future postings. As my partner Karen points out Wikapedia is not a credible site for reference . The public post the content so all your links there are just opinions not fact.
Secondly the IMDb link you posted is also just peoples opinions. I found this opinion which I quite agreed with - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0344160/board/nest/80794446 on your IMDb site.
A third point I want to make is that I have not been shown any credible evidence to show that the moon landings did happen? Where is your proof? You have only given me hearsay & peoples opinions. Instead of trying to discredit me or documentry makers why dont you actually counter some of the points raised? I did know the documentry title as I own a copy! I may have been sloppy by posting the clip from a different source & I can only do so much research with what time I have.
Here is an interesting site for you to look at. Jack White was a very respected photography expert & here are a few interesting points which back up my views. http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html
 
This has gone from what do you think, to I'm right you're all idiots.

Philthy, way back in page 1 of this discussion I said that most of the theories are just that: theories. UC here opened up all the holes in your facts you told us to see. And again, they did testing on Mythbusters to see if any of the theories held weight. None did.

Stop pulling the "Where is your proof" card since your proof is as effective as stopping a fire with tissue paper.
 
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