The Grammy's
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Chris Coasters
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I know they are one of my favorite bands I was really happy with what they won.
Screaming Coasters
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Skrillex, Skrillex, Skrillex <3
Screaming Coasters
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Pft, what Skrillex does is far more complex than orchestrating or producing rock music. The amount of engineering, processing, multiband compressing and skill thats needed to pull of a track like Skrillex is nuts.
Something I'm working on -
https://soundcloud.com/debuggingthewax/ ... n-progress
This track I'm producing at the moment is taking forever just because its so technical. I understand fully what goes on with this type of music and no ordinary producer can do it.
You're right, a Macbook isn't an instrument - its a tool thats earned Skrillex $15 million dollars in just over a year. Good on him and his art. Get educated mate and then come back to me with a comment.
Something I'm working on -
https://soundcloud.com/debuggingthewax/ ... n-progress
This track I'm producing at the moment is taking forever just because its so technical. I understand fully what goes on with this type of music and no ordinary producer can do it.
You're right, a Macbook isn't an instrument - its a tool thats earned Skrillex $15 million dollars in just over a year. Good on him and his art. Get educated mate and then come back to me with a comment.
It takes a huge amount of complex technical processes to produce a film like "Brave", but does that mean that the characters in Brave are better performers than say Anthony Hopkins or Christopher Lee (or pick any decent actor).
I know what you're saying Erol and your point is valid, but there's a world of difference between having a skill using technology which does a lot of the work for you, and the skill learned through years and year of practice with an instrument.
No amount of technology could have put on a performance like Jack White's and there are very very few people in the world who could have performed to that level either (and have written those tracks too).
So I know what you're saying, but they're very different disciplines. I now that musicians can easily become producers (look at Brian Wilson's seminal work on Pet Sounds which is as complex as Skrillex but without much technology to help), but for a producer or "technical musician" to become a performing artist is very rare.
I don't disregard it as music as some people do, and I do appreciate the skill and talent required to produce music even "cheating" ( :roll: ). It's just more... accessible? So I can understand why people don't give it much respect. Does that make sense?
Personally, I don't really care. If people like the end product and listen to it in their millions, it can't be bad - if it's to your taste/standards or not.
I know what you're saying Erol and your point is valid, but there's a world of difference between having a skill using technology which does a lot of the work for you, and the skill learned through years and year of practice with an instrument.
No amount of technology could have put on a performance like Jack White's and there are very very few people in the world who could have performed to that level either (and have written those tracks too).
So I know what you're saying, but they're very different disciplines. I now that musicians can easily become producers (look at Brian Wilson's seminal work on Pet Sounds which is as complex as Skrillex but without much technology to help), but for a producer or "technical musician" to become a performing artist is very rare.
I don't disregard it as music as some people do, and I do appreciate the skill and talent required to produce music even "cheating" ( :roll: ). It's just more... accessible? So I can understand why people don't give it much respect. Does that make sense?
Personally, I don't really care. If people like the end product and listen to it in their millions, it can't be bad - if it's to your taste/standards or not.
Screaming Coasters
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Skrillex can play most common instruments. Sonny (Skrillex) used to be in a band called From First Till Last, which he produced and wrote. He's even orchestrated and composed. He's a true musician first, producer second.
If anybody had a go at making music with just a computer, you'd realise that the computer does nothing for you. It's not cheating, it's a lot harder than playing an orchestra. Everybody knows their parts and where to come in. With producing, you need to know math and ratios for compressing, you new to know about phase correlations (which stops sound cancelling each other out on mono systems, ie. night clubs). Also frequency bands, brick walling, band spreading... I would go on.
Basically, it's harder. This is from experience. I will upload a comparison for you to listen to without all my engineering and you'll hear the difference.
If anybody had a go at making music with just a computer, you'd realise that the computer does nothing for you. It's not cheating, it's a lot harder than playing an orchestra. Everybody knows their parts and where to come in. With producing, you need to know math and ratios for compressing, you new to know about phase correlations (which stops sound cancelling each other out on mono systems, ie. night clubs). Also frequency bands, brick walling, band spreading... I would go on.
Basically, it's harder. This is from experience. I will upload a comparison for you to listen to without all my engineering and you'll hear the difference.
I don't doubt that Erol (and it's good to hear that Sonny is also a musician) but while it may be easier than conducting an orchestra, that orchestra will have hundreds of man years of practice and raw skill to actually produce the sound - that's the difference 
Still, a composer is classed as the most important part of an orchestral piece. It's rare you will know the names of individual members of the London Philharmonic Orchestra for instance, but if they play a piece by Bach, it will be "Bach's" work, not the LPO's.
That's also what I was getting at, the end result is sometimes important (like Jack White's performance), but without a score, the music doesn't exist. Good music is written before it's played kind of thing
Still, a composer is classed as the most important part of an orchestral piece. It's rare you will know the names of individual members of the London Philharmonic Orchestra for instance, but if they play a piece by Bach, it will be "Bach's" work, not the LPO's.
That's also what I was getting at, the end result is sometimes important (like Jack White's performance), but without a score, the music doesn't exist. Good music is written before it's played kind of thing
Screaming Coasters
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Of course yes, I agree. In the same instance however, its a different skill set entirely, but this is how it varies. A composer can play instruments, write scores and orchestrate. Ok fair. A producer of Skrillex's calibre can also compose, can play instruments, write scores an orchestrates. However, in Skrillex's case, he can also engineer, which is something that 90% of people can't do. Its a skill that is learnt by training your ear, knowing when cetain things do. I've spent the best part of 10 years developing my engineering skills and its only now that I believe I'm ready to take on the big boys. A composer couldn't do this. He is trained in a different way, this is why they always have an engineer at hand.
I visited Air Studios near Camden, during the recording of the first Pirates of The Caribbean. Everybody was doing there thing, but this poor guy had to listen to every single instrument of the 200+ man orchestra and piece together the puzzle. Without him, it would sound like a mess. And when I say piece together - each instrument is rigged with a mic, so each single instrument has to be engineered.
So yes, I see what you say, but what we do, they wouldn't have a rats in hell chance. Also, there is a difference between an engineer and a producer. 99% of producers cant engineer. The likes of Skrillex and myself, can lend our ears to both and I'm proud with what I've achieved.. I've just got to make serious money from it now Lol
I visited Air Studios near Camden, during the recording of the first Pirates of The Caribbean. Everybody was doing there thing, but this poor guy had to listen to every single instrument of the 200+ man orchestra and piece together the puzzle. Without him, it would sound like a mess. And when I say piece together - each instrument is rigged with a mic, so each single instrument has to be engineered.
So yes, I see what you say, but what we do, they wouldn't have a rats in hell chance. Also, there is a difference between an engineer and a producer. 99% of producers cant engineer. The likes of Skrillex and myself, can lend our ears to both and I'm proud with what I've achieved.. I've just got to make serious money from it now Lol
Yeah, it's that thing where if you go and see Batman: The Dark Knight. It's a Christian Bale/ Chris Nolan film. It's not, the film requires somebody at helm and a "performer", but it fails without the people who now exactly how to work all the technology that comes together to finish the film. The engineers assemble the film if you like in the same way Skrillex assembles the music. The difference here is that Skrillex is also writing and directing and uses a computer for the performance (which is irrelevant in this instance ).
I wouldn't like to get into an argument over whose job is the most important :lol:
).I wouldn't like to get into an argument over whose job is the most important :lol: