The best/most comfortable restraints?

[Nick P]

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I did the same thing. The second time on, I made sure to leave a gap between my legs and the restraints. It definitely helps. Plus it makes the first drop much more intense when your flying out of your seat from the massive ejector. Never felt so scared on a first drop in my life.

Anyways, I still need to get myself on a B&M hyper and test out the clamshells for myself.

 

[bmac]

I found the first airtime hill the worst, and then it got REALLY good.

It's like, Bacon Sex Drop, OW OW OW OW OW, Bacon Sex, Bacon Sex, Bacon Sex, Bacon Sex.

 

[IntaminToWin]

I found the first airtime hill the worst, and then it got REALLY good.

It's like, Bacon Sex Drop, OW OW OW OW OW, Bacon Sex, Bacon Sex, Bacon Sex, Bacon Sex.

I find that weird, because for me, that was the least-harsh airtime of all the said airtime moments. But I did ride in the front section both times (3rd and 1st row) which might make a difference.

 

[BBH]

B&M Clamshells
B&M Wing Rider and Flyer Vest-Types

And I don't know why but the Intamin OTSR's on the Impulses are comfortable to me. And the clamshells. <<<<<<3

 

[Hyde]

Nope. My comment was based on my own personal experience. I have no clue how my experience compares to someone who rode Skyrush with the non padded restraints. I'm assuming the old restraints were quite painful. How bad were they though? With the padded restraints, I didn't have any major problems up until the last airtime hill. That was when I began thinking, "Get me off this thing."

Exactly. Skyrush would be the best roller coaster in the world if they did not try dicking around so much with non-OTSRs.

It's almost like Intamin hasn't ever developed a restraint that is comfortable and works well with a floorless train. Oh wait, they did.

Go back to the good ol' OTSRs that work perfectly well - or even continue with the modified non-OTSR version that they have been using on their flume rides.

 

[madhjsp]

OTSR's on Skyrush would kill the feeling of freedom and openness that makes that coaster. No, they need to keep lap restraints, but just make better ones.

 

[Hyde]

At present rate, OTSRs are a much better option than the lapbars.

 

[Youngster Joey]

The bar's really just need to be shortened an inch or two. Then the lap bars would actually come down on your waist where you can clearly tell is where they are supposed to lie.

 

[Hyde]

The problem with Skyrush's restraints is a lack of surface area/contact with the rider's hip/pevis.

Why are the B&M Clamshell's so comfortable? Because it has a large area where the restraint comes in contact with the body, spreading pressure over a larger area.

Intamin OTSRs have a large amount of padding as well that offers more contact with the rider.

Skyrush has a much smaller area of contact, creating a pinch point of pressure and discomfort to riders.

At present the lapbar contacts the rider's pelvis, and then veers away from the body leaving the legs free. If instead the lapbar ran smoothly along the pelvis, hips, and thighs, just like a B&M Clamshell, I'd imagine it would be a more comfortable ride.

 

[IntaminToWin]

Tweak the Skyrush design, and we have awesomely free, comfortable restraints. Add OTSR's and it has the same problem as i305- it ruins any sort of freedom and gives you awful whacks. OTSR's are always worse than a lapbar. Always.

For example, I happen to dislike B&M invert restraints because the seats are so close together there is ZERO elbowroom, and the restraints themselves are so constrictive and claustrophobic. The more freedom it's possible to get, the more should be given.

 

[furie]

It's almost like Intamin hasn't ever developed a restraint that is comfortable and works well with a floorless train. Oh wait, they did.

No, they didn't, especially not on that POS

Those restraints are very bad if you have any sharp laterals (head/neck chopping) and if you're above 6 foot tall and they have horrendous should pain inducing properties when there's strong airtime.

What I can't understand is why didn't they keep the same round padded thigh restraints from the OTSR and move the should bit out at an angle?

The Mack Mega restraints are very similar to Skyrush's, only Mack made the seats very deep and angled so you get a lot of restraint across a large area which makes them so fantastically comfortable. Again, Intamin just slipped up and missed out on a ergonomic design element. They just don't seem to have the right staff in place doing these things.

 

[bmac]

Or they just don't give much of a ****. Seriously when you build rides like that for almost ten years and you still have issues with your restraints you need to go back to the drawing board and think about firing a few people. I wonder if they focus too much on designing the coaster that they forget the trains have to be borderline comfortable while guests are riding :/.

 

[owentaylor121]

Clamshells on the B&M hypers are amazing, I loved Shambhala's so much.
And for some reason, I rather like Thi3teen's aswell.

 

[IntaminToWin]

Or they just don't give much of a ****. Seriously when you build rides like that for almost ten years and you still have issues with your restraints you need to go back to the drawing board and think about firing a few people. I wonder if they focus too much on designing the coaster that they forget the trains have to be borderline comfortable while guests are riding :/.

I just learned from furie on a different topic that the trains are essentially not built by them...so they probably don't really focus on them like B&M usually does.
I have a feeling that after this latest debacle with Skyrush they might start paying more attention to that kind of thing.

They certainly should, anyway.

 

[furie]

You've misread me there my friend. The train "design" is Intamin's, it's just the parts are bought elswhere or manufactured elsewhere for them. B&M will be the same.

 

[bmac]

It's like designing a car really. Manufacturer sets the specs for the parts, and all the other little companies make the parts for the manufacturer to assemble. Just, not on a produce 30,000 a day scale.

 

[furie]

^Yes, exactly; but with limited construction, the parts aren't quite as easy to come buy. Getting specialist seats for five coaster trains a year doesn't get big order discount :lol:

 

[bmac]

^Yes, exactly; but with limited construction, the parts aren't quite as easy to come buy. Getting specialist seats for five coaster trains a year doesn't get big order discount :lol:

buy, by. HEY GUYS COME ON DOWN TO ROLLER COASTER DISCOUNT PARTS!!! GET YER AXLES N TIE RODS FOR THE NICE LOW PRICE OF A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS!

Really doesn't one roller coaster train cost about as much as a high end sports-luxury car? I'm talking like the $750,000-$1,000,000 "say goodbye to your grandchildren's college funds" car.

 

[madhjsp]

There's obviously a high degree of cost variability with regard to coaster type & train size, but yeah, I'm sure modern steel coaster trains run at least a couple hundred thousand dollars. I seem to recall reading that X2's are the most expensive trains ever... or did I just make that up?

 

[IntaminToWin]

All this talk about trains is very interesting! I'm surprised there isn't a major company solely there for the purpose of making train seats and restraints for companies to buy. Having uniform restraints made by a separate company on every ride would actually be quite neat.