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SilverArrow

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Seaworld's whales have bred naturally. The first successful killer whale birth was in 1985 and it wasn't until 2001 that an AI calf was born. Only 5 of of all the whales were born by AI for sure as usually lots of natural mating occurs as well during the conception period. AI however can be particularly useful in doing long distance gene transfers as it saves animals having to be moved on breeding loans.

The issue with animal charities is that a lot of them, particularly large ones like WWF siphon a LOT of money off to other parts of their business so most of the money is being lost before it gets to help any actual animals. Most animal professionals are very wary of who they donate to and who they work with because they are aware of how corrupt it is. Unfortunately the public just want to help and often don't have the time of knowledge to look deeply into where their money is going so the cycle continues.

I have a friend who wants to go out to Africa to work on anti-poaching efforts but they're finding it so hard to find good places to go as so many private reserves and centres are just breeding animals to feed trophy hunting. People go to these places for gap years and bottle feed lion cubs, being told that they're helping a breeding program only for them to be the target for some trophy hunter a few years down the line. You would have thought we'd made some progess on those things by now but alas no!

The white tiger issue is another hot topic amongst zoo keepers at the moment but positive things are in the pipeline. BIAZA (British and Irish Association of Zoos and Aquariums) is working on new legislation in this area to stop breeding of white tigers and I think in time this will cross over to the AZA (American Zoo Association) as well. It must be remembered that it's the breeding that is an issue, not the keeping of the animals necessarily. The rest of the animals will need to live out their lives somewhere. They serve as a good education point though.
 

marc

CF Legend
See this is where it's confusing. Sea world Orlando had one male and he could not go with the other females as they picked on him. That's all been well covered and not just in Blackfish.

So if they are now breeding normally all the males and females are brothers and sisters and that's wrong.

Are you talking about another Sea World park?

Agree AI is very useful for many animals that are at risk.

My main problem is still there is no need to keep the cycle of whales going, just stop making new ones now.

The damage is done people are just not interested anymore and proof of that is the attendance to the parks.

The stuff I am finding on Google is very different to what you have said so can you please provide a link?
 

ECG

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Re: Sea World Parks announce Blue World Project

gavin said:
We've discussed the whole Blackfish thing to death. It was clearly made with an agenda, but if a company as big as Sea World could have sued the makers of that film for slander, you can bet they would have.
Looks like it's Sea World that's being sued over Blackfish instead of the other way round.
The class action lawsuit against Sea World Parks and Entertainment regarding alleged deception of stockholders over the extent of damage to the company due to the backlash from the documentary film now has lead counsel.
Nix, Patterson & Roach and Kessler Topaz Meltzer & Check were selected by U.S. District Judge Michael Anello as lead counsel for a class action lawsuit against SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment. The suits claim the firm deceived stockholders when it didn't attribute a 2013 attendance drop to negative publicity related to "Blackfish" documentary. Arkansas Public Employees Retirement System and Pensionskassen For Og Ungdomspaedagoger pension funds were made lead plaintiffs due to their $4.3 million claims of losses.
Source: http://www.smartbrief.com/01/06/15/...nst-seaworld-parks-entertainment#.VK7o23vrKi4
 

marc

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Oh dear not what they needed, do you think this could be the end of them? Or is that way over the top?

We already said we would not visit next time, that's not due to Blackfish but it's due to the park being **** and the bad ride operations last time.
 

ECG

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The end of Sea World? Surely not, but it's certainly not a good thing. Law suites like this can go either way, but even if Sea World has to pay it won't put them out of business.
 

marc

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It will just mean money that could be spent improving the parks and life for the animals ends up in people's pockets then?
 

ECG

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Yep. People buy stocks and invest in a company to make money and if the stocks depreciate after the company claims that negative press won't affect their holdings, the investors will sue to get their money back - even if it might be more prudent to wait it out and let the company keep the funds to invest in further growth.
 

gavin

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Surely there's no way to actually prove that a drop in attendance was down to the film. Let's face it; it was, but any real evidence is totally circumstantial.
 

marc

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gavin said:
Surely there's no way to actually prove that a drop in attendance was down to the film. Let's face it; it was, but any real evidence is totally circumstantial.

For 6 months after the film Sea World were reporting it had little affect, attendance was only effected due to bad weather even though every other park in Orlando seemed to be increasing their numbers.

The trend has carried on universal and Disney are and have been busier than ever but Sea World still down.

See others might be like me and simply don't go as the parks a dump, but as you say you can never prove why it's down.

There is more competition now with Lego land, fun spot etc so people might need to drop a park to fit the rest in. Sea World is probably the park most would drop. It's going to get even worse when the new I Drive stuff opens.
 

ECG

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gavin said:
Surely there's no way to actually prove that a drop in attendance was down to the film. Let's face it; it was, but any real evidence is totally circumstantial.
This is why I said that it could go either way. They not only do they have to prove that the drop in attendance is down due to the film, but also that the park knowingly deceived stockholders.
 

marc

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The problem they will have is attendance was up that whole year in the other parks apart from Sea World, yet they said their sales were up. Even their water park was well up on the other years so their reason that weather affected it was crap.

Plus work was already taking place on the orca tanks and no shows were taking place so this would have affected attendance.

However it's not picked up this year so you would have to say people are staying away and that's probably film related.

Bet the old owners are pleased they sold when they did.
 

ECG

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Seems that this project was cancelled around the time that the chain announce that they are ending their Orca shows.
 

gavin

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Well isn't that a huge surprise...

From a business perspective, it makes absolute sense. From the "we care about our animals more than money" rhetoric, not so much.

Whatever really. I'm sick of hearing about it; f**k Shamu.
 

SaiyanHajime

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The whales are already in enclosures far surpassing industry requirements. Blue World project was a guest perception thing, not a welfare thing.

Designing animal exhibits comes with 3 main considerations - the animals needs... And the perception of the animals needs amongst guests, whilst still showing off the animal. The balance is usually skewed in the favour of guest perception and visibility. Not saying that more space wouldn't be good for the animals, but the huge windows maybe not, for eg.

Ending orca breeding was also guest perception. And it's ridiculous to expect a huge investment from them in orca keeping facilities if they're fazing out keeping orcas.

The focus can still be business without compromising animal welfare. Yeah, it's a shame we've lost what may have been the world's most spectacular animal exhibit, but at the end of the day, the pressure on them to end captivity of orcas has lead to this decision and it is far from unreasonable.

Edit: also the dolphin thing - this is down to idiots not following rules and getting bit. So they've had to reduce guest numbers exposed for control. Thus price goes up.

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