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S&S launched coaster for Happy Valley Shenzhen

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Ok.. About Ring Racer:

1) It ain't operating yet.

2) I wouldn't consider a layout consisting of a launch into brakes and a single helix "complicated", I still consider Powder Keg to be the most advanced costum layout made by S&S so far.

3) Ring Racer has two across seating, these new launchers has four across seating which causes a lot more stress on the track..
 
^Right, so if they can't get a coaster with a "simple" layout operational, what hope is there for a much more complex design?
 
^It's the launch mechanism that's the problem with Ring Racer. The Happy Valley coasters doesn't have world record launches and from what I've seen so far their launches seem to work perfectly fine. What's the problem here is obviously the more advanced/large scale costum layouts and the four across seating that S&S has tried..

I still maintain my view of this as being "childhood diseases" that S&S most probably will iron out and that future installments will work perfectly fine. Other companies have the same problems like Vekoma with their new BSG coasters at USS and Intamin with lots of their new installments.
 
I hate to break it to you, but the fact that Ring*Racer goes a lot faster makes it more advanced.

1. The ride was supposed to open three years ago.

2. The entire launch system has to handle a lot more stress than either of these two new launchers. The problem with the ride isn't in the layout. It's in the launch system.

3. The supports on Ring*Racer and the supports on these two launchers have to do the exact same thing - hold the ride up. TUV regulations in Germany are incredibly strict, and I'm sure Ring*Racer's(actually, any coaster for the matter) supports were designed to withstand many many times the load of the train passing by. I'm sure that if they put the four across trains on Ring*Racer just to see what would happen, the ride would still be standing once the train reached the brakes. Yes, the extra seats mean more calculating for rider forces, but just because the train is a bit heavier doesn't mean that it's that much more complex. Roller coasters in general are designed to withstand millions of laps of a ride, extremely high winds, and earthquakes. They're not going to design them with the bare minimum - in this case an 8 seat train - in mind.
 
Gosh, why wont people just accept other peoples thoughts?? :( My point to prove was that these kind of coasters that are built at the Happy Valley parks are something entirely new to S&S and that they'll therefore most likely cause some sort of promblems. Problems that S&S will deal with and learn from and future installments will most likely work fine. Other companies have the same problems and are still succefull so why can't S&S do the same?


And if you (Antinos) necessarily need an answere, here you go:

I never wrote more advanced coaster. I even wrote that the launch on Ring Racer was more advanced then the Happy Valley once:
andrus said:
It's the launch mechanism that's the problem with Ring Racer. The Happy Valley coasters doesn't have world record launches and from what I've seen so far their launches seem to work perfectly fine.
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What I did wrote was that these new coasters have more advanced layouts then past S&S creations:
andrus said:
What's the problem here is obviously the more advanced/large scale costum layouts.....I wouldn't consider a layout (Ring Racer) consisting of a launch into brakes and a single helix "complicated"
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Conclusion: Pleas read through my posts next time before bashing me!

And regarding the four across trians: A twice as wide train with twice as many riders are heavier and will cause more wear and tear, fact. S&S might has designed the track to withstand a lot higher forces then needed but there'll still be more forces with a haevier train that could create vibrations etc. With four across seating the forces will also spread differently among the riders (there's quite a difference from sitting farthest to the right then farthest to the left). Conlusion: A four across train is different from a two across train. S&S has never done a standard four across train before and therefore it could cause them some problems.
 
Don't get so butt-hurt just because I'm correcting you. I will restate what I already said, seeing as how you must have not understood my post. Every roller coaster is designed to last. Many steel roller coasters are well over a million laps with maybe a small section of tubular steel track replaced. Because they're so durable, they're not going to design the track and supports to withstand the bare minimum. Luckily in Germany, there are no hurricanes and I don't believe there are many earthquakes, but S&S still designed Ring*Racer to handle high winds and seismic activity. I'm aware that there are more riders per train, but from what has been said, the ride modifications are with the track and supports, not with the trains. With the information we have been provided about the problem, it sounds like there may be some high G spikes from poorly manufactured track. The high G spike will affect ALL riders, just not the ones in the front row on the outside, or wherever else you can isolate a few seats.

Last time I rode Dominator(last year), I noticed a shimmy at the bottom of the first drop. I rode the ride in the front row, middle row, outside, and inside seats, and I felt the shimmy on every ride.

THE POINT: You can triple the weight of the train and it will stay standing. Coasters have to be designed to withstand whatever is thrown at them, so they're designed with strength in mind.
 
^Well yet again you have failed to read my post.. I clearily stated that the main problem here is the advanced layout that S&S hasn't tried before. I even made the word layout bold so you would understand, but obviuosly you didn't! The trains were merely a side note, and of course a new type of train that has never been used before can cause problems as well if not constructed properly (just as with BSG at USS, which I also stated as an example earlier).
 
Duane have posted loads of new images that he have taken himself of this ride on RCDB. Now you can really get a feel of the complete layout of the ride, and I have to say that it might be even better than the other one.
He have also updated the name of it to "Bullet Coaster"...

From RCDB:
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More at: http://rcdb.com/m/9442.htm?p=0
 
I think it's quite pretty, really. Nice detail with the sunken ship around the tunnel, and the lighthouse.

Just a question, though? This coaster is obviously themed, but to what? And why "Bullet coaster"?
 
^I've no idea. Shangri-la snowfield made sense since they've built a giant snowy mountain next to the coaster. But I assume Bullet coaster is just another way of saying "rocket coaster", it's probably just a simple name describing the fact that it's a launched coaster (just like all the other Chinese coasters).
 
yeah the ride looks great! Id be willing to bet it will work fine because its top speed isnt ridiculously high. Isnt the other launcher working fine too? So many Happy Valley theme parks and China and the rapid construction it gets so confusing sometimes!
 
andrus said:
^I've no idea. Shangri-la snowfield made sense since they've built a giant snowy mountain next to the coaster. But I assume Bullet coaster is just another way of saying "rocket coaster", it's probably just a simple name describing the fact that it's a launched coaster (just like all the other Chinese coasters).
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This coaster's Chinese name is"雪域雄鹰" Which means "Eagles in Snowfield" :shock:
 
The one in Beijing was AWESOME, but, jolted a LOT on some of the transitions. This one's twistier and more complicated, are these jolts why they're redoing so much of the trackwork?
 
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