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Obesity

Who isto blame for the obesity 'epidemic'?

  • It's the fault of the companies

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • It's the person's fault for making unhealthy choices

    Votes: 14 50.0%
  • It's a combination of these things

    Votes: 12 42.9%
  • It's none of these things

    Votes: 1 3.6%

  • Total voters
    28
I agree completely with what Gavin wrote, so no need for me to repeat what he said in a different way. This also doesn't affect me at all as I don't really like soft drinks & average about one can of Coke a year.
One thing that some of you might not be aware of is that we have a new law here in New York City that prevents all restaurants (whether fast food, delis, movie theaters, sports stadiums or even food carts) from selling sugar-sweetened drinks larger than 16 ounces (0.47 liters). I'm not sure how effective this will be in the fight against obesity, as anyone can purchase an additional drink if they want more & consuming large amounts of soda at one sitting isn't the problem. Still, the mayor felt he had to fight obesity somehow & passing this law is a good start (in his opinion). However, many (myself included) feel that this law infringes on basic freedoms, like the right to choose, & is simply unconstitutional.
I wonder what the reaction would be if Obama tried to make this a national law or if Boris Johnson tried to do likewise in London?
 
^The thing is, Jerry, in London I doubt MOST places serve anything bigger than that already, so it wouldn't really make a difference? The only things affected would be restaurants like TGI Fridays and Nandos that offer free refills and possibly cinemas? I believe the largest size available at McDonalds is 500ml (correct me if I'm wrong, just quickly googled it).

I think most people from the UK are shocked by the portion sizes, specifically for drinks, when they go to America. Nobody needs that much sugary drink in a whole day, let alone in one sitting. The Big Gulps at 7/11 omg <//3
 
I know all that & nobody in the UK (or Europe for that matter) could afford the sizes we have over here, but that's not my point really. It's about the government stepping in & saying what you can & cannot drink just because of the amount of calories the item contains. Not because the amount of alcohol or if it contains prohibited substances, but simply because people in general can't determine of their own accord what's healthy for them or not - which is what I thought the topic was generally about.
I mean, would you Brits put up with parliament or local counsels making laws that ban you from drinking X amount of Coke a day, for example? Or would you consider that to go against your civil liberties?
 
Would a better solution be to introduce a HFCS tax? If you increase the cost of production (preferable) or purchase of a product, then people will be less willing to buy it. People still have the choice, it's just that you're pushing them away from the unhealthy option.

Of course it would never work, there's no way that the big businesses involved would allow the Government to step in and directly affect their multi-billion dollar industry for the sake of a nation's health ;)

Ben said:
furie said:
A "medium" coke from McDonalds with your meal is about a meal's worth of calories for a woman

Since when has a coke had the same calories as a meal?

There's about 50 calories per 100ml of coke. So, 500ml, a standard amount, is 250cals. How is that a meal, omg.

Even as a fatty, I still try to keep breakfast and lunch below 300 calories. When I dieted all those years ago, I kept them below 250 calories. Though I guess that's just what works for me as I tend to snack as many calories in a day as I do my main meal (which was fine when my main meal was 400-500 calories, not so good now :lol: ).

Plus, it also depends on how active you are, something Scarlet and Joey touched on. If you're like me and just don't get any exercise, then every calorie you take in is important, as the chances are, it's going right to your fat stores. I discussed this with Ian once. If you do a hard workout or more exercise than usual in a week, then you justify yourself that can of Coke, or extra beer or kebab or whatever :)

Oh, and epic post Scarlet, great stuff :)
 
Probably would cause an uproar with the fatties tbh, but in my opinion it's their own fault for not cutting back and even trying to live a healthy lifestyle, so something has to be done, however drastic.

I don't know if its an actual law, but I know a lot of schools are really strict on what kids are allowed in their lunchboxes, so in a way people are already being told what they can and can't give their kids, albeit only in a school setting but still.

The funny thing about Coke for me I that I've been brought up to see it as a treat, an occasional thing for parties or Christmas or the cinema. We literally almost never have a bottle in the house, which is where I think many families fall down. It should still be accessible when you're out enjoying yourself, but I think in the home it should be restricted. People are drinking Coke as a replacement for water, with their meals and I think that that is where the danger lies, not in having it when you're eating out or at a theme park or at the cinema. But there's no way to police people's shopping baskets, so you're back to square one.

The proposed idea is to tax fizzy drinks as a deterrent, 20p per litre. I feel like that could work, if fizzy drinks were way more expensive than healthier drinks then hopefully more would be inclined to steer clear and then only have Coke on occasion.

I agree with Joey in that I believe an outright ban is morally wrong.
 
On the topic of large drinks, and remembering what I mentioned about spending, here's another weird observation from the USA and a how it's culturally so different from the UK.

When I first visited the US, the thing that perhaps "wowed" me the most in a "how on earth does this work" kind of way, was free refills. Now, in a restaurant environment, sure. That makes sense. But in McDonalds?

Why do US McDonalds sell different sizes of drinks? Who buys them? Why would anyone get anything other than a small (UK medium), or even CHILDREN'S cup, and just refill it until you've had as much as you wanted?

To confuse matters, McDonalds often do this thing where you can get ANY size drink for $1. That's less than the cost of buying a small drink on it's own, which is like $1.29 I thiiiink.

In that context, WHOS GETTING SMALL?

Maybe you want a large drink to take with you? Well sure, that's cool, except there's a McDonalds every few miles. Just stop and refill? Technically against the rules, but who's seriously going to stop you?

American's are far more honest than Brits. This simply wouldn't work in the UK, because the system would be abused to the point where people would simply walk up and fill up their own bottles at the fountains. The cost of implementing a system with enough staff to keep an eye on that would be stupid. More to the point, soda is such a gigantic profit margin, why wouldn't you abuse the customer the way they do in the UK? I just... Don't get it?

On top of all this, so much soda gets wasted in the US because people will simply throw it away and refill if say it's too watery or they just wanted to try combining strawberry fanta and coke because why the hell wouldn't you?

Don't get ittttttt. And this is why free refills will never become widespread in the UK, because as a business you'd have to be stupid to give the British public any opportunity to abuse the system.

There's more of this in the US, too, though.

Say in the UK, at a supermarket, chocolate bars are 2 for £1. In the US, it'll SAY 2 for $1, but actually you can buy 1 and it's only 50c... Erm, the point of the deal is to trap people into spending more money, Kroger... You're doing it wrong? Is it simply that American's cannot resist spending a whole $1 to get two? I think it might be.

American's throw away money something awful. Change is practically useless, due to the stupid tax added on after system. And American's have a very laid back, cannot be bothered attitude to anything that under performs. If it's even slightly broken, get rid of it. And it's not worth reselling goods on ebay, throw them out - not worth the effort. Not EVERYONE is like this, but a lot of people do seem to be, where as the UK is kinda reversed. American's buy so much stuff, on a whim. And I think it might be the reason the UK doesn't have the breadth of produce that I moan about. The USA can afford to have 50 different types of coke, because people buy them on a whim. In the UK, everyone would sit around pondering about whether or not to spend the money and discover they hate it. But to an American? No big deal, get it and if I hate it throw it out.

I mean, would you Brits put up with parliament or local counsels making laws that ban you from drinking X amount of Coke a day, for example? Or would you consider that to go against your civil liberties?
Yes, but no where NEAR the uproar it would receive in the USA.

In the UK, we're (for better or worse) fairly quiet as a nation about the goverment imposing on us with issues such as this. Most people simply don't care enough to do more than shrug. The only similar thing I can think of is how you cannot buy more than so many painkillers at once, without prescription. But the US has strange alcohol laws, like you can't buy after certain times in certain places, which are far more imposing than preventing the buying of excessive painkillers in one go. Speaking of which, I only just learned the US has a law about drinking alcohol in public places... I LOVE it, but it's ridiculous from a moral freedom perspective, and I just think it's funny that the US is so.. un... free?

It's like the "free speech" argument, to me it's morally important to be able to say what you like, but it's MORE important to protect people from hatred. It's censorship from the goverment, which is morally awkward, but the alternative to me seems worse?

The US approach, to me and many other Brits, looks like demanding of freedom for the sake of freedom, with no logic attached. The concept of freedom is greater than all. That would be fine, if the US truly looked free to us, but it looks like a country where that freedom causes more trouble than it's worth.
 
I think drinks are a strange one and a bit different from food.

I don't like diet coke. It just tastes like the cheapo 20p little bottles of cola you'd get from newsagents for triple the price. But I just looked at a Coke bottle I have here and it is 26.5g of sugar or 29% of an adult's GDA. But that is just half the bottle! It uses figures for a 'serving' rather than the actual thing so it is really more like 60% of a whole days sugar in one drink and that means that any meal containing carbs will probably push you over the edge.

I think for what they are, a soft drink...they are a bit too bad for you. 60% sugar in one drink is baaad. That's diabetes country and people don't know that coke is so bad for you. They know it is bad compared to an apple but I don't think everybody really grasps that this is a product that really is doing nothing good for them or their children.

As a treat, fair enough. It's also (mostly) self-control and other factors.
 
I think it's totally down to the individual to be responsible about what they SCOFF.

I eat loads of crap, but I'm not silly enough to not realise, so heh. I just love junk food <3.

Btw, Ribena is **** foul. And Oasis <///3.

I live off fizzy drinks, but only diet ones (not because they're healthier, because that's not always the case, but I find them more refreshing and generally nicer).

Aspartame <3. Sorbitol is quite fab if you want to lose weight too (eat 2 tubes of sugar free polos and come back to me).
 
Joey said:
American's are far more honest than Brits. This simply wouldn't work in the UK, because the system would be abused to the point where people would simply walk up and fill up their own bottles at the fountains.

I don't think it's a case of Americans being more honest at all. Sorry, but that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say, as is the idea of driving with an empty cup to refill at the next McDonalds you come across, given that the restaurants are franchised and, therefore, not owned by the same person; that would actually be dishonest. Actually, it would be out-and-out stealing.

Sure, you might get the odd one or two sneakily filling a bottle to take out, but you wouldn't see lines of people with 2 litre bottles, which would be the only way to really "abuse" it anyway. Filling a small bottle would onyl be the same as filling their cups again and walking out with them, which absolutely does happen in the US with loads of the customers.

The US system wouldn't be likely to work if was implemented now purely because it would be a massive novelty, people would drink a **** load just because they could, and the restaurants would see their profits dropping, leading to the policy being withdrawn. If the policy had been implemented when the American fast food chains started popping up everywhere back in the early 80s, then we'd see it being used in the same way it is in the US now, as we would have grown up with it.

Even if honesty was a concern, then there are ways around it. The US is not the only country that gives the free refills. Some places just have the fountains out for customers to use, but others you have to hand your cup back over for a staff member to do it. That might sound like a pain, but in the countries that do that, the other customers don't expect you to queue up again - you just head to a counter and hand it over - as the drink can be refilled as someone else's order is being taken anyway. Usually it will just get done by someone who's not even actually on the tills.

So yeah, it's got jack **** to do with honesty. It's money. Plain and simple. Free refills cost next to nothing, sure, but that all adds up. Plus the extra charge for larger sizes actually make sense if you can't just refill a smaller cup, and there's a chance that someone might be thirsty and order, and pay for, another drink. Why bother losing money when nobody in the UK would ever expect that kind of "perk" in the first place?
 
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