SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Why.... do you like Colossus so much?nealbie said:Ben said:
Swap the first one for the looping bundle of JOY at Thorpe and you've got yourself an accord!
Intamin
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SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
I should have nominated you for spammer of the year.nealbie said:Joey said:Why.... do you like Colossus so much?nealbie said:Ben said:
Swap the first one for the looping bundle of JOY at Thorpe and you've got yourself an accord!
Because it's AMAZING beyond all words <3
It brings me immense happiness on many, MANY inappropriate levels.
nealbie
CF Legend
Joey said:I should have nominated you for spammer of the year.nealbie said:Joey said:Why.... do you like Colossus so much?nealbie said:Ben said:
Swap the first one for the looping bundle of JOY at Thorpe and you've got yourself an accord!
Because it's AMAZING beyond all words <3
It brings me immense happiness on many, MANY inappropriate levels.
Because I'm expressing an obsession with a roller coaster, on a roller coaster forum?
Nemesis Inferno
Strata Poster
You're expressing an obession with a **** roller coaster... That's the problem...
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
No, because you've stated so twice, not given any reasons and not contributed to the thread topic really.nealbie said:Joey said:I should have nominated you for spammer of the year.nealbie said:Joey said:Why.... do you like Colossus so much?nealbie said:Ben said:
Swap the first one for the looping bundle of JOY at Thorpe and you've got yourself an accord!
Because it's AMAZING beyond all words <3
It brings me immense happiness on many, MANY inappropriate levels.
Because I'm expressing an obsession with a roller coaster, on a roller coaster forum?
<3 you though.
^I think that argument sums it up really, whether a ride is good or not is always going to be subjective. But there certainly are a number of misconceptions about Intamin going around here. Perhaps the most prominent is whether Thirteen was a world first or not. Listening to John Wardley’s narrative of the project on the Season Pass Podcast does indeed confirm that the Maurer Sohne spinner trick track was a source of inspiration for Thirteen. You may recall Alton Towers has its very own Maurer Sohne spinner. John Wardley stated that Sonic Spinball was originally planned to have a trick track (which would explain that pre-lift straight) but was cut for budgetary reasons.
Besides, Thirteen’s indoor drop is true freefall. Whereas I believe Winjas is simulated? Alton Towers needed a company with experience in designing magnetic braking systems. Intamin certainly has an enormous portfolio of magnetically braked drop towers and launch coasters. And the result with Thirteen is a very well engineered roller coaster. Literally no time is spent waiting for mechanisms to lock in at the bottom of Thirteen’s drop, and that is the true innovation of Thirteen.
Maverick’s problem wasn’t a miscalculation either. The fact is Maverick worked with the heart-line roll, the trains were withstanding the force and would have done so for a further four years had it been kept. I believe an executive or two even rode Maverick with the roll in the layout. The problem was fatigue and without strengthening the trains, yes they would have needed replacing in due course.
But hang on, anyone recall Battlestar Galactica’s problems with fatigue this year? A seat fell off! And that was a Vekoma design. Maurer Sohne also found fatigue issues with their X-Car design very recently. X-car operators are now required to inspect their train links more frequently until a replacement is ready. Anyone know when Ring Racer (S&S launch) is due to open? Or flying turns for that matter?
To be honest, Intamin are just like any other roller coaster manufacturer when it comes to incident rates. All manufacturers suffer incidents, including B&M. A steel beam for Air’s rider positioning system broke (physically snapped), I think opening day, but certainly within the first week of operation. I think it’s just that Intamin is a high-profile company for doing some crazy things, and as result, I believe, are scrutinized more than most when it comes to incidents.
Besides, Thirteen’s indoor drop is true freefall. Whereas I believe Winjas is simulated? Alton Towers needed a company with experience in designing magnetic braking systems. Intamin certainly has an enormous portfolio of magnetically braked drop towers and launch coasters. And the result with Thirteen is a very well engineered roller coaster. Literally no time is spent waiting for mechanisms to lock in at the bottom of Thirteen’s drop, and that is the true innovation of Thirteen.
Maverick’s problem wasn’t a miscalculation either. The fact is Maverick worked with the heart-line roll, the trains were withstanding the force and would have done so for a further four years had it been kept. I believe an executive or two even rode Maverick with the roll in the layout. The problem was fatigue and without strengthening the trains, yes they would have needed replacing in due course.
But hang on, anyone recall Battlestar Galactica’s problems with fatigue this year? A seat fell off! And that was a Vekoma design. Maurer Sohne also found fatigue issues with their X-Car design very recently. X-car operators are now required to inspect their train links more frequently until a replacement is ready. Anyone know when Ring Racer (S&S launch) is due to open? Or flying turns for that matter?
To be honest, Intamin are just like any other roller coaster manufacturer when it comes to incident rates. All manufacturers suffer incidents, including B&M. A steel beam for Air’s rider positioning system broke (physically snapped), I think opening day, but certainly within the first week of operation. I think it’s just that Intamin is a high-profile company for doing some crazy things, and as result, I believe, are scrutinized more than most when it comes to incidents.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
What do you mean it wasn't miscalculation? Presumably they wanted Maverick to last more than 4 years when they designed it, otherwise they wouldn't have changed it. So it wasn't fit for purpose.
Just out of curiosity, where has it been confirmed what the issue actually was? Where did you get this "4 years" from?
Yes everyone knows this, the point was Intamin are certainly not more innovative than Vekoma. The idea of a moving track section had been around for years and Winjas had already demonstrated a drop. All Intamin were doing was "better" the idea. And even then, it was Wardley who came up with and pushed for the idea of an actual drop, Intamin just agreed to do it.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Thanks for explaining where the info came from.
The issue I find with the roll on Maverick is that they must have known it would behave in a similar fashion to how it did. They can't know spot on, but they must have had some idea. The fact it simply looked ridiculous before even seeing a train move around it and that so many of us thought just that when it was built, illustrates my point.
I'm glad they are brave and boundary pushing, it's just interesting and a little odd. Perhaps the fact that they dominate so much of the market, like you pointed out, is partially how they get away with it.
BGW's head of engineering said to a friend of mine that they dislike working with Intamin because they are unreliable.
The issue I find with the roll on Maverick is that they must have known it would behave in a similar fashion to how it did. They can't know spot on, but they must have had some idea. The fact it simply looked ridiculous before even seeing a train move around it and that so many of us thought just that when it was built, illustrates my point.
I'm glad they are brave and boundary pushing, it's just interesting and a little odd. Perhaps the fact that they dominate so much of the market, like you pointed out, is partially how they get away with it.
BGW's head of engineering said to a friend of mine that they dislike working with Intamin because they are unreliable.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
You're getting hung up over a point I'm not defending. I'm not saying Intamin are ****, I'm just questioning why their "issues" seem to numerous. They either are numerous, or just seem it because they are the more adventurous of the two major companies. Personally, I think it's both, and it's blatantly obvious that's the case.
It does matter what a bunch of enthusiasts think and it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. It's like suggesting that because I'm not a nutritionist, I can't tell that KFC's Double Down must be horrendously bad for me. I'm not saying that we're all far more knowledgable than the professionals, but are you effectively suggesting that it was a complete coincidence that Maverick's roll looked ridiculous and then turned out to be incredibly forceful and would cause structural damage? It's fine if you are, that's perfectly possible, it just seems quite unlikely. Does it seem more likely that Intamin ****ed up calculations? Well, no, I guess not. I just literally cannot see how they wouldn't have been able to calculate close to what they should expect in real life and I would have thought that you should leave some room either side of that prediction. If the prediction was that way off, then I hope Intamin have figured out why.
The issue I have is whenever Intamin are defended you get long winded answers to why this wasn't their fault and that wasn't their fault, but they are always the common denominator and it's always something mind-numbing simplistic. What on earth happened with the miscommunication about boat sizes on shoot-the-rapids, for example? Not their fault, it was the other company? Possibly, but again, common denominator.
EDIT: Also, with regard to what Sandor said. There's numerous issues there all summed up into; he's defending himself and his company and choosing his words wisely, obviously. I heard that twist was pushing 6g, but like that's any more reliable than his words. Acceptable and preferred are two very different things. You don't want your ride making everyone light headed, sick and not want to ride again if you can help it.
But also, is the intensity felt by riders and the strain on the structure itself are both effects of the same thing?
It does matter what a bunch of enthusiasts think and it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. It's like suggesting that because I'm not a nutritionist, I can't tell that KFC's Double Down must be horrendously bad for me. I'm not saying that we're all far more knowledgable than the professionals, but are you effectively suggesting that it was a complete coincidence that Maverick's roll looked ridiculous and then turned out to be incredibly forceful and would cause structural damage? It's fine if you are, that's perfectly possible, it just seems quite unlikely. Does it seem more likely that Intamin ****ed up calculations? Well, no, I guess not. I just literally cannot see how they wouldn't have been able to calculate close to what they should expect in real life and I would have thought that you should leave some room either side of that prediction. If the prediction was that way off, then I hope Intamin have figured out why.
The issue I have is whenever Intamin are defended you get long winded answers to why this wasn't their fault and that wasn't their fault, but they are always the common denominator and it's always something mind-numbing simplistic. What on earth happened with the miscommunication about boat sizes on shoot-the-rapids, for example? Not their fault, it was the other company? Possibly, but again, common denominator.
EDIT: Also, with regard to what Sandor said. There's numerous issues there all summed up into; he's defending himself and his company and choosing his words wisely, obviously. I heard that twist was pushing 6g, but like that's any more reliable than his words. Acceptable and preferred are two very different things. You don't want your ride making everyone light headed, sick and not want to ride again if you can help it.
But also, is the intensity felt by riders and the strain on the structure itself are both effects of the same thing?
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Yeah, not only is that post really OTT, he's getting hung up over comments in peoples posts that aren't where he should be focusing, taking them out of context and blowing them out of proportion as if they were the main point.
You can't break parts of someone's post down like that and then expect to respond to what they are saying as a whole, because you're not getting the entire gist, you're too busy getting hung up over bits which contribute to the whole but as stand alone points don't have any weight.
Making your opponent frustrated and bored does not mean you win. This is a ****ing coaster forum. If you think anyone here has the time or can be bothered to read that, well, I'm glad you've got so much time to waste.
On skim reading your post, I want to just add that you totally miss that I'm unbiased. You're attacking one side of what I have to say. For example...
Whatever.
You can't break parts of someone's post down like that and then expect to respond to what they are saying as a whole, because you're not getting the entire gist, you're too busy getting hung up over bits which contribute to the whole but as stand alone points don't have any weight.
Making your opponent frustrated and bored does not mean you win. This is a ****ing coaster forum. If you think anyone here has the time or can be bothered to read that, well, I'm glad you've got so much time to waste.
On skim reading your post, I want to just add that you totally miss that I'm unbiased. You're attacking one side of what I have to say. For example...
Er, yes? Here's the actual comment you're responding to...
And in the greater context of the entire paragraph you quoted, it's even more clear that I'm quite unbiased.
Whatever.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
I'm not offended, I'm aggravated. You are frustrating. You know you are frustrating and you think that by frustrating people you "win". That's ALL there is to it.
And you're right, I can't be bothered to read a long ****ing post when this should be for fun.
The end. Thanks for sapping the fun out of the forums.
And you're right, I can't be bothered to read a long ****ing post when this should be for fun.
The end. Thanks for sapping the fun out of the forums.
El Patricko
Roller Poster
Intamin's problem with the restrains was due to the ride operator letting a very disproportioned man ride SROS. He fell out because his proportions were similar to that of a little tikes or, peter griffin.
They now have seatbelts installed and i think they also changed the restraints.
That seems to be the most outstanding accident in my mind along with Hydro and the de-railment which happened recently. But today i think intamin have the same credibility as B&M, to me they are very acomplished in what they do.
On the documentary which features the building of Tatsu, they test the ride physically for the first time. They grease the track and make as many adjustments to make the ride complete the course. Apparently it made it round several seconds faster than they had anticipated in the design..
They now have seatbelts installed and i think they also changed the restraints.
That seems to be the most outstanding accident in my mind along with Hydro and the de-railment which happened recently. But today i think intamin have the same credibility as B&M, to me they are very acomplished in what they do.
On the documentary which features the building of Tatsu, they test the ride physically for the first time. They grease the track and make as many adjustments to make the ride complete the course. Apparently it made it round several seconds faster than they had anticipated in the design..