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^^^^My OP was on topic but either way. More on topic when people think a ride is amazing just because of the park it's in

EX: (this is purely my opinion). Big thunder mountain railroad is a mediocre ride at Best but since it's Disney it is viewed as much better than it is. Yes it has great theming but from a standpoint of a coaster it's really just meh.

I consider this a separate issue from fanboys though it could be thrown in with fanboy-ism
 
nadroJ said:
It does make me laugh how upset some people get when you say you didn't like a ride that they adore haha. I also think it's funny how some enthusiasts try to make you feel stupid for liking a certain ride.
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Says the girl who loves Skyrush. Preposterous! :D
 
owenrita121 - in another thread said:
Air for sure, I was not into coasters at the time when I first rode Air, and seeing the seats tilt back into the flying positon looks scary as hell, but when I rode it I just found It slow, dull and very forceless.
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When enthusiasts dont get what certain coasters are made for </3
 
^^There's absolutely nothing pretentious about disliking something.
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Depends. I think those who dislike things based on what I like to call "enthusiast rubbish" are pretty pretentious.

The kind of thing I mean are those opinions only enthusiasts have and enthusiasts have on mass without explanation or thought.

Examples:

"It's better in the back." Tonnes of coasters are better in the front. I'd go as far to say it's a 50/50 split. This IS opinion, of course, but I really do believe that many enthusiasts assume things will be better in the back for no real reason and act surprised when (and if, many don't give the front a chance) they try them out in the front to find it better. Most woodies are better in the front. Miles and miles better. And people always act shocked. It's just been drilled into us from peer pressure that coasters are all better in the front. WHY? Some people even go on with the delusion for years and years. I can't remember the ast time I rode Inferno near the front, despite it being infinitely better, because no one else agrees. And I find it hard to believe my opinion differs THAT much, and more that people are just sheep.

"Thorpe Park/Six Flags/ isn't themed." If you think this, you're blind.

EDIT: Thought of another...

"This ride is better than that ride because it has lapbars." And the general idea that OTSRs destroy airtime. MOST lapbars hold you down tighter than most OTSRs. Where did this bullpoop come from?
 
Joey said:
"This ride is better than that ride because it has lapbars." And the general idea that OTSRs destroy airtime. MOST lapbars hold you down tighter than most OTSRs. Where did this bullpoop come from?
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Stealth, Rita, Baco, Kanonen etc. etc... they'd have just as little airtime whichever restraint system was used, and each would probably still be an extremely poor coaster. However, the overall experience would be made more pleasant and comfortable - I think that's where that comes from.
Not really relevant, but there it is.
 
I have no trouble with those restraints. I don't understand why people do unless they are tall. Honestly, I think half of the people who claim they do don't have an issue and just bitch and moan because it's an OTSR and that's what enthusiasts do.

There are plenty of **** lapbars out there.

It's like all this SkyRush stuff and people going "just be glad it's not a proper OTSR..." Er, it would be better if it was. Then it wouldn't be touching you.
 
Nah.. it wouldn't be better. Imagine the amount of slamming into the restraints you would have.. it would be like I305.. but worse. That's the whole reason Hershey decided against it.. because we all know it would ruin the ride.
 
That's enthusiast rubbish right there, though.

The "slamming" or "neck chopping" or whatever you want to call it, isn't bad in most cases. The ONLY coaster which does it to me is Rita. It's massively exaggerated by enthusiasts. You never hear the GP moan about it. You do hear the GP moaning about SkyRush's restraints. Those who are tall, I get the suffering with Intamin's OSTRs. Most people though are being over the top because other enthusiasts said they are bad, so they must be. They don't come anywhere near most people. And even if they do, if you just look where you're going and flow with the ride I don't see how it's an issue anyway.

Besides, I305 doesn't even have regular Intamin OTSRs anymore. It's got SOFT tight ones that go nowhere near your neck. There's nothing to slam into. It's just one of those things enthusiasts moan about because they think they should.

OSTRs definitely interfere with the feeling of freedom, but they do not stop airtime. Especially not the Intamin ones, which are practically lapbars anyway. I bet when Hersheypark went to try out I305, they didn't say "this is painful" but rather "this would be scarier and most exhilarating if the restraints were different". As Will said.
 
Another one, when enthusiasts assume fellow enthusiasts are "sheeple" blindly going with whatever the enthusiast hive says.

Sometimes we can have an honest opinion, and just because others have said it doesn't mean you're going with the group blindly or doing it just because.

Kind of related to having ones opinion held high as the sky...
"You hive mind! I have no issue with (x) and I'm right so you must be a sheep!"
 
Joey said:
That's enthusiast rubbish right there, though.

The "slamming" or "neck chopping" or whatever you want to call it, isn't bad in most cases. The ONLY coaster which does it to me is Rita. It's massively exaggerated by enthusiasts. You never hear the GP moan about it. You do hear the GP moaning about SkyRush's restraints. Those who are tall, I get the suffering with Intamin's OSTRs. Most people though are being over the top because other enthusiasts said they are bad, so they must be. They don't come anywhere near most people. And even if they do, if you just look where you're going and flow with the ride I don't see how it's an issue anyway.

Besides, I305 doesn't even have regular Intamin OTSRs anymore. It's got SOFT tight ones that go nowhere near your neck. There's nothing to slam into. It's just one of those things enthusiasts moan about because they think they should.

OSTRs definitely interfere with the feeling of freedom, but they do not stop airtime. Especially not the Intamin ones, which are practically lapbars anyway. I bet when Hersheypark went to try out I305, they didn't say "this is painful" but rather "this would be scarier and most exhilarating if the restraints were different". As Will said.
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Maverick and Kingda Ka were the worst ones for me with the OTSRs. Maverick was literally perfect in the front row but in the back I got chopped up like sushi, enough to have my neck visibly bruised from the experience (but it was still fun!). I have a pretty good pain tolerance though, so I don't know if other people feel the same about it. Kingda Ka was really choppy on the launch before they bought the old i305 restraints. It didn't really affect re-ridership until you marathoned it over 15 times, and now you can ride it forever since the head chopping is nonexistant.

OTSR's don't really effect air time, imo. I still feel out of my seat air on rides like Maverick, Kingda Ka, Chinese Fireball, Storm Runner, Farenheit, etc. So yeah I do think people just assume that because an Intamin has OTSR's it's going to suck.
 
Joey said:
That's enthusiast rubbish right there, though.

The "slamming" or "neck chopping" or whatever you want to call it, isn't bad in most cases. The ONLY coaster which does it to me is Rita. It's massively exaggerated by enthusiasts. You never hear the GP moan about it. You do hear the GP moaning about SkyRush's restraints. Those who are tall, I get the suffering with Intamin's OSTRs. Most people though are being over the top because other enthusiasts said they are bad, so they must be. They don't come anywhere near most people. And even if they do, if you just look where you're going and flow with the ride I don't see how it's an issue anyway.

Besides, I305 doesn't even have regular Intamin OTSRs anymore. It's got SOFT tight ones that go nowhere near your neck. There's nothing to slam into. It's just one of those things enthusiasts moan about because they think they should.

OSTRs definitely interfere with the feeling of freedom, but they do not stop airtime. Especially not the Intamin ones, which are practically lapbars anyway. I bet when Hersheypark went to try out I305, they didn't say "this is painful" but rather "this would be scarier and most exhilarating if the restraints were different". As Will said.
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No.. it's my opinion of how I feel the ride would be based on my numerous experiences with Intamin OTSR's with less laterals then SkyRush.. and considering I've had bruises on my arms from 305, Maverick, and Storm Runner.. not including the neck chopping.. it's safe to say that it would happen on SkyRush.

And of course, I'm not talking about airtime. If it just had the lapbar and not the straps in any form.. that would be one of the best restraints for bacon sex airtime.

By the way.. you just tried to put your enthusiast rubbish onto mine.. so really it just how you feel against how I feel. Wanna go around in a circle? :p
 
^ It could just be ride experience as a whole. Ive ridden Storm Runner, Fahrenheit and Maverick and none of them gave me neck chopping issue at all.

I agree with Joey on this one, as airtime has always felt the same wether it was OTSR or just a lap restraint for me on an Intamin. It gets rid of the sense of freedom, but outside of that it doesnt much else change the overall ride experience.

Either that or Snoo cant hold his neck/upper body properly :lol:

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Re: the OTSRs stuff, I honestly believe that a lot of it it psychological. That's not to say that I don't think they make a difference to the overall experience, but I think it all comes down to the way you feel when you're in in an OTSR compared to just a lap bar. I think a lot of it comes down to the relative lack of places to hang on to a lap bar. Take Rush as an example. For me, a huge part of the experience on the ride is that "oh ****, there's nothing to hold on to! I'm going to fall out!" feeling. If it had OTSRs, you'd have something to cling onto at chest height, so would feel more secure, making it a different experience. This is why I definitely class the restraints on Lex Luthor: Drop of Doom in the same category as OTSRs because, apart from anything, they give you something to hold on to, so subconsciously feel more secure. Whilst it's complete bollocks to think that, people do, and it does change your mindset. Therefore, whilst I agree that, physically, lapbars may actually pin you in more than OTSRs, I think it's the way they make you feel that changes everything.

As for how that applies to the whole airtime argument? Well, I can only think that if you feel less secure, it feels like a more "out of control" ride, which could potentially lead to the perception of more airtime. I guess.
 
That would make perfect sense Nic, as I've not had the "**** I'm going to fall out" feeling for a number of years. I'm quite unusual in that I have absolutely no fear of heights. I don't like being free standing in a high place, but that's different, as its a logical fear of death from falling. :p If I know I'm strapped in, I don't get the fear. The freedom certainly enhances the experience regardless, but I just think the war on otsrs is a bit ridiculous.

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Joey, you're annoyed about this, but you've not taken a poll to see how many people are 6' tall and over with a "beefy" body type. If the people complaining about OTSR are, then they have good reason. Intamin OTSR hurt me when there is airtime. It's not psychological, it's not following any bleating flock, they hurt me because my shoulders touch the restraints at all time.

If everyone who complains is the same height/build as me or bigger, then they have an absolute valid point. Stop trying to force your "short-arse rubbish" onto me! :p

If I am pinned at the shoulders directly down my spine to my arse in the seat, it is impossible for me feel air-time and any airtime is just transferred instead instead "my weight on my shoulders against thin strips of hard plastic". My shoulders weren't designed to hold my weight like that and it's painful.

As for the front back thing? It does come down to personal opinion I'm afraid. I've been on one woodie that was better at the front* and that's Wodan. Yes, rides do vary and it's always worth testing different positions to find what works best for you personally, but I've come of rides sitting next to somebody who thought it was outstanding and I thought it rubbish, changed to a different location and our opinions swapped - it really does make that much difference! One thing I noticed a long time before I became an enthusiast was the different feeling. At the front, you feel constantly "pushed" through the layout, at the back "pulled".

It's a very different feeling and it changes the elements of a coaster drastically. Say on a vertical loop, at the front you carry speed up the incline and just just about 3/4 through the loop, then you pause slightly with a little forward hang time and the acceleration comes as you're roughly at the bottom of the loop on the straight. In the rear, you slow as you enter the loop and get the pause about 3/4 upwards facing vertically up (and pushed into your seat), then you get pulled through the top and accelerate across the top and down the second half. At the front you tend to get high-g as you enter the inversion but then it dies off. At the rear, you get a much more prolonged feeling with the "pause" as you're on your back.

It's very similar over airtime hills, it really is.

I love riding the front at times, as it gives a coaster a completely different feel to the back, but I (almost**) always prefer the feeling at the back

*Actually, Coney Island Cyclone was better at the front, but only because the back was so brutal, like "The Ultimate" brutal. As you like the Ultimate, you'd much prefer the back? Or does your opinion on if a ride is good or not depend on your own opinion making algorithm? ;)

**Oh, and both Boulder Dash and Balder gave me the best rides from around the centre.
 
Joey said:
That's enthusiast rubbish right there, though.

The "slamming" or "neck chopping" or whatever you want to call it, isn't bad in most cases. The ONLY coaster which does it to me is Rita. It's massively exaggerated by enthusiasts. You never hear the GP moan about it. You do hear the GP moaning about SkyRush's restraints. Those who are tall, I get the suffering with Intamin's OSTRs. Most people though are being over the top because other enthusiasts said they are bad, so they must be. They don't come anywhere near most people. And even if they do, if you just look where you're going and flow with the ride I don't see how it's an issue anyway.

Besides, I305 doesn't even have regular Intamin OTSRs anymore. It's got SOFT tight ones that go nowhere near your neck. There's nothing to slam into. It's just one of those things enthusiasts moan about because they think they should.

OSTRs definitely interfere with the feeling of freedom, but they do not stop airtime. Especially not the Intamin ones, which are practically lapbars anyway. I bet when Hersheypark went to try out I305, they didn't say "this is painful" but rather "this would be scarier and most exhilarating if the restraints were different". As Will said.
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See, I feel the same about this as you, but height-wise we're not that far apart. I definitely think it must be comfier to ride a coaster with OTSRs if you're shorter. To use Storm Runner as an example, Sue loathed it, partly because she's an Intamin hater (;]) but also partly because she genuinely was in pain. I rode with her a couple of times and could literally see the OTSR slamming in around her neck, whereas because I'm a short arse the OTSRs come up way above my neck, so I don't really get any chopping.
 
^ Yeah same, the OTSRs come up to about my ears so it's not even a big deal for me, but I don't think people are exaggerating when they say they're painful. I know they probably do neck chop, but thankfully I'm short enough where it doesn't even matter.
 
Sue is only marginally taller than me though, not enough to make a difference I don't think.

When I rode with Sue on Storm Runner, she pointed at the twisty track ahead and was like "OMFG Wtf". I looked at it and anticipated fun! I think its more to do with the way people sit. I never sit back as instructed, I know that much.

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