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Cedar Point | Top Thrill 2 | Triple Launch Renovation | 2024

Sorry to be so pragmatic, but I cannot believe they are not done with the trains yet.

Literally model them after the TTD Intamin trains that have bogeys which have been proven for 20+ years, install the magnetic fins for the retrofitted launch and be done with it.

The optimism from Tony is great, but the fact of the matter is nobody can confirm anything until those trains are on the track and running.

I'm not holding my breath.
I doubt it's that simple, designing something that does rapid 0-120-0 mph cycles in a short period of time is a unique challenge. That's a lot of energy to deal with and wear and tear as well from friction and g forces. I wouldn't be surprised if intamin have a bunch of patents around their trains and wheels that would prevent zamperla copying them and zamperla may have to work around their patents to find a solution.
 
Sorry to be so pragmatic, but I cannot believe they are not done with the trains yet.

Literally model them after the TTD Intamin trains that have bogeys which have been proven for 20+ years, install the magnetic fins for the retrofitted launch and be done with it.

The optimism from Tony is great, but the fact of the matter is nobody can confirm anything until those trains are on the track and running.

I'm not holding my breath.
This. The fact that this issue isn’t already fixed and moved on from is concerning. It's nearly February. Summer will be here before we know it.
 
Sorry to be so pragmatic, but I cannot believe they are not done with the trains yet.

Literally model them after the TTD Intamin trains that have bogeys which have been proven for 20+ years, install the magnetic fins for the retrofitted launch and be done with it.

The optimism from Tony is great, but the fact of the matter is nobody can confirm anything until those trains are on the track and running.

I'm not holding my breath.
If you’re up for some very backseat engineering (to add to @Rollercoaster David), the fundamental issue lies in the inherent difference between how a hydraulic launch works and a magnetic launch. Unfortunately, simply rolling back the trains doesn’t solve this problem, nor a "just do what Intamin did" copy cat. @Hixee and I actually wrote half a script for LSM launches when we were working on the Table of Elements video series (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJlX9ExZuCM&list=PLs4mq0P_NMca3O_igY4YxLX6iexGs__40), but realized it would be a 20-minute lecture on physics rather than coasters. :P

I know we’ve also discussed rough launch mechanics in detail over the past 52 pages, so here’s a quick summary: Hydraulic launches pull the roller coaster train forward over relatively stable track (the track isn’t wobbling due to launch forces). They only apply a force vector to the very front of the train (the cable is connected to the hitch at the front of the train), which means the tolerance for cars to jump and jostle around at high speed is relatively low. The back rows of cars are simply along for the ride and don’t have any critical connection to the track other than their wheels.

LSM, on the other hand, has fundamentally different launch mechanics. Force is exerted to push (not pull) the train forward, and it’s applied to the entire length of the train, not just a single car. The tolerance and clearance for LSM fins are also much smaller than a hydraulic cable and winch system, measured in millimeters of clearance. Ironically, hydraulic cables have little to no tolerance clearance need, except to ensure the cable doesn’t strike the track. This is how we (theoretically) got the hairline fractures on the coaster train—too much stress was induced on the train due to unforeseen vector forces, and this was compounded by additional complications from track and train shake during the triple launch pass. We saw the painter’s tape we used on day one market scoring on the LSM fins again.

Weighing down the train to enhance structural rigidity is our hope (rather than adding weight for the sake of weight), but hairline fractures can ultimately be attributed to material science rather than poor design. Aluminum, steel, and other materials would still have their breaking point, regardless of the new design choice. Moreover, new train designs would not address LSM clearance or other track design elements that could still contribute to persistent high-level wear and tear.

TT2 is not a single-factor issue, and heavier trains aren't necessarily the sole saving grace. And "rolling back" to Intamin design as copy-cat doesn't necessarily solve this either - Red Force (our current, only successful LSM launching at 100+ MPH speeds) is a complete departure from the original Hydraulic launch design, from a single-fin launch (TTD magnetic braking had 2-fin array), smaller distance between supports (I'd imagine to reduce track wobble), and updated Intamin track design (no cool-looking quad rail):
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Yes, we obviously have an under-engineered coaster design. And no, there isn't an "obvious" fix to the ride, especially to just "do what Intamin did."
 
Tony Clark confirmed that TT2 will likely be re-opening on the park's opening day, May 3rd. Source
Top Thrill 2 is scheduled to open on opening day. The manufacturer is currently finishing their modifications to the ride’s vehicles. They’re going to get those back here in about the next month or so. Then they’re going to begin their pre-season testing. We have all of our testing that happens. The state of Ohio has to inspect it and license it for riders. Then once that’s complete, we should be ready to go by opening day.
We’re excited to have two - essentially - new roller coasters here at Cedar Point. A lot of our guests didn’t get a chance to ride Top Thrill 2 last year, so when you come to the park this summer you’re going to get Top Thrill 2 and you’re going to get Siren’s Curse. That has not happened, I don’t think, here ever. So we’re excited about that.
 
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