RideThroughTime
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They started testing it in December. I don't think the problem was not cycling it enough.This indicates that there should have been more dummy test cycles before opening to the public, plain and simple.
They started testing it in December. I don't think the problem was not cycling it enough.This indicates that there should have been more dummy test cycles before opening to the public, plain and simple.
Appreciate your responseThey started testing it in December. I don't think the problem was not cycling it enough.
Are we talking about Top Thrill Dragster or Top Thrill 2?.But we all have to understand that when a park asks for a specific ride design that has never been done before it is going to create challenges.
It's almost so I wonder if Intamin gave Cedar Point a call and asked them to make it absolutely explicit that they have nothing to do with this.I was not a fan of choosing Zamperla for the TTD/TT2 makeover but am I the only one that thinks Cedar Point's continued name dropping of Zamperla in its Tweets is immature and unprofessional? I think saying simply "We are continuing to work on..." would be enough. I get that the closing isn't Cedar Fair's fault (they already made the mistake in 2022 ) but it still is a bad look to name drop.
Thorpe Park on the other hand hasn't mentioned Mack in its official Tweets as far as I know.
Word is CF never even reached out to Intamin.It's almost so I wonder if Intamin gave Cedar Point a call and asked them to make it absolutely explicit that they have nothing to do with this.
But yeah, the name dropping of Zamperla strikes me as almost as odd as the choice to go with them for the refurbishment in the first place. There has to be some non-enthusiast Cedar Point followers who read this post, Google to see who those Zamperla guys are, find out they've never built any coaster noticeably smoother than a rockslide, and join the enthusiasts in wondering why the heck Cedar Point chose to go with these chumps instead of literally any other coaster manufacturer on the Western market.
Personally never been to CP but my faith in the chain is going downhill. Cedar fair seems like if a manufacturer messes up once it’s curtains for them. Intamin has made alot of mistakes but look at the rides that they built for CP. 3 of the 4 best rides are Intamin. And then RMC made an amazing coaster but then they had that station accident and it seems CP avoids them now. Carowinds should have absolutely received an RMC by now but it’s as If CF has washed their hands of them.It's almost so I wonder if Intamin gave Cedar Point a call and asked them to make it absolutely explicit that they have nothing to do with this.
But yeah, the name dropping of Zamperla strikes me as almost as odd as the choice to go with them for the refurbishment in the first place. There has to be some non-enthusiast Cedar Point followers who read this post, Google to see who those Zamperla guys are, find out they've never built any coaster noticeably smoother than a rockslide, and join the enthusiasts in wondering why the heck Cedar Point chose to go with these chumps instead of literally any other coaster manufacturer on the Western market.
They were probably the only "chumps" that wanted to mess with an Intamin mess.
Actually both. TTD was the first of it's kind, and the same with TT2 but with a rookie manufacture in this space. Glad to see it testing and hopefully they fixed the issue.Are we talking about Top Thrill Dragster or Top Thrill 2?
We also have more counts of confirmation that wheel assemblies are back on the train and train stock has been rolling. Good progress for 3 weeks in.
Unfortunately that was testing from May 31. It’s been really quiet since thenActually both. TTD was the first of it's kind, and the same with TT2 but with a rookie manufacture in this space. Glad to see it testing and hopefully they fixed the issue.
6/4/24 - Top Thrill 2 remains closed as Zamperla (the ride’s manufacturer) continues working on a mechanical modification to the coaster vehicles. While we do not yet have a reopening date, we hope to provide more information soon. We sincerely appreciate your continued patience and look forward to the reopening of Top Thrill 2 as soon as possible.
A few thoughts:Besides Intamin themselves?
Who were no doubt the best option when it came to this revamp.
I feel like this "cutting ties" with a manufacturer is a bit ridiculous, especially considering Intamin has practically perfected over the past 20+ years exactly what Zamperla installed on TT2. Not to mention manufactured trains for said ride that lasted those 20+ years.
INTAMIN was contracted to design and manufacture "The World's Tallest and Fastest" roller coaster back in the early 2000's. They did just that using the technology available, and in the space provided; what exactly did they do wrong? I see TTD as a major accomplishment and an industry-wide push in innovation.They were probably the only "chumps" that wanted to mess with an Intamin mess.
I think the "mess" moment @ViperGTS500 is pointing to isn't that TTD was successfully built, but rather the general maintenance and operational upkeep of the coaster. Over the last two decades we've seen a fair share of cable snap, prolonged downtime (often due to sensor array, other ride system fault), and other operational challenges (e.g. late morning openings to minimize daily operation times, "frontloading" the trains while hydraulic system warms up, etc.). There was also the opening season comedy of train redesigns, which unfortunately led to losing the original, extremely bad ass theming for a more simplified spoiler.INTAMIN was contracted to design and manufacture "The World's Tallest and Fastest" roller coaster back in the early 2000's. They did just that using the technology available, and in the space provided; what exactly did they do wrong? I see TTD as a major accomplishment and an industry-wide push in innovation.
Having the guts to renovate a 20 year old coaster those stats doesn't make you a "chump." Besides whatever wheel or bearing issue Zamperla has delivered 1000%. The customer knew the risk involved and still chose to build it (both versions).
Cedar Point decided to not to cover the queue. Cedar Point wanted a hydraulic launch in a more compact space. All INTAMIN did was design and manufacture that dang thing. Gimme a break with blaming INTAMIN for everything.
The same goes for Zamperla, frankly. The amount that they've had to do to fulfil this project is insane. They had the task of refurbishing, repurposing, and extending one of the tallest/fastest rides ever made, with seemingly little to no assistance from the original manufacturer. All of this as their first project under this new company venture. The amount of new tech they have developed for this project is gargantuan. So much of it was a first attempt. Yet it opened, and seemingly performed reliably with reviews claiming the experience to top the original?INTAMIN was contracted to design and manufacture "The World's Tallest and Fastest" roller coaster back in the early 2000's. They did just that using the technology available, and in the space provided; what exactly did they do wrong? I see TTD as a major accomplishment and an industry-wide push in innovation.
Having the guts to renovate a 20 year old coaster those stats doesn't make you a "chump." Besides whatever wheel or bearing issue Zamperla has delivered 1000%. The customer knew the risk involved and still chose to build it (both versions).
Cedar Point decided to not to cover the queue. Cedar Point wanted a hydraulic launch in a more compact space. All INTAMIN did was design and manufacture that dang thing. Gimme a break with blaming INTAMIN for everything.
Another "still working on it" update from Cedar Point for June 4th:
There continues to be photos and reports of general working on trains in the infield. #PrayersForTT2
A few thoughts:
On how Cedar Fair "Cuts Ties" with Manufacturers: While the enthusiast community has painted a "cutting ties" narrative on how Cedar Fair shows pattern of going hot and cold with manufacturers, in truth we've never been given any sterling proof of this. I feel sometimes folks think this is an actual "policy", when in earnest we have, for years, been seeking patterns in randomness.
On INTAMIN WAS OBVIOUSLY THE BEST CHOICE: ... were they? To exactly if and how Intamin bid on TT2, we will never receive the details. Maybe they were higher price than Zamperla, maybe they were bidding an entirely different approach (e.g. retrofitting and updating the hydraulic launch) - we'll honestly never know.
But I do caution folks for having accidental revisionist history, saying Intamin has "perfected" technology over the last 20 years, while also skipping over an (honest) laundry list of maintenance, downtime, and other reliability issues - not only at CP but many other parks. At the very least; it's not out of this world to see CP's perspective of not going with a manufacturer they have had fault failure on, *adds up Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, Top Thrill Dragster, Maverick, Shoot the Rapids*, five attractions over a 20 year span, 60% of which attractions have already been retired/modified well ahead of their time (Wicked Twister, Top Thrill Dragster, Shoot the Rapids).
what do you mean by that?I still think Intamin would have submitted a swing launch but its possible that they would've went for a Red Force type design