Archie
Mega Poster
in this case what happens, does the train fly back into the station because the switch track will have changed back?
Cedar Point | Top Thrill 2 | Triple Launch Renovation | 2024
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Steely Dan
Mega Poster
An excellent point!
A "re-rollback", if you will.
One of 2024's most elusively rare creds.
oriolat2
Giga Poster
Nah, I am sure the switch track won't align with the station spur until the train ahead hasn't cleared the top hat.
I'veGotFourB&MsInMyGarden
Mega Poster
You never know, Cedar Point might be feeling extra risky that day...
Maybe the station and main track will have track on them @ the same time, when it moves to the right the main track will also move to the right. The train can then move forward into launch position, and then the track switches back so the station and main track are back in position prior to launch!
I mean the answer is obvious...
In general, in the event of a rollback on third rollback, the most likely fallback design is the train will reset back at original launch position, and restart the launch sequence. That being said, the likelihood for this type of rollback is significantly slim - the best chance (which @Snoo and I have experienced on Maverick) is a power cut to the LSM, essentially powering down the launch and the train slowing down/rolling back down the launch track.
If there were the need, the switch track could be theoretically flipped and the train rolled all the way back into the station (and bump the loading/unloading trains back a block), but that's usually reserved for clear/specific reasons for unload, such as an inbound thunderstorm or maintenance downtime that would make running the launch sequence unsafe.
MLDesigns
Hyper Poster
Yeah, this is Rule 0 of these switch track rides. Train should be WELL OVER the tophat before that switch is allowed to reset. Pantheon's doesn't reset until it's at the bottom of the drop.
Christian
Hyper Poster
With three trains CP could pretty much always have a train ready to go and I think the station will be long enough to accommodate two trains. Thereby ensuring that a train is always on the launch track and utilizing the ride to the fullest.
cookie
Giga Poster
Looks like the height restriction isn’t getting lowered unlike what the Zamperla leak said, since their updated page still lists it as 52 inches.
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Zamperla partners with Cedar Point on Top Thrill 2
The world’s tallest and fastest triple-launch roller coaster. SANDUSKY, Ohio (Aug. 1, 2023) – Zamperla announces a partnership with Cedar Point on Top Thrill 2, the world’s tallest and fastest triple-launch strata roller coaster. Zamperla’s Roller Coaster Business Unit engineered and designed a...
www.zamperla.com
JoshC.
Strata Poster
100% yes.
It's a ride which literally has a notable new layout to its predecessor, so it's a new cred in my eyes.
Lori Marie Loud
Giga Poster
I go by RCDB logic, and thus am considering it just TTD but modified a bit (So not a new cred)
For “new cred” convo, there’s the obvious question: was a significant portion of track modified?
That’s a “maybe” for TT2’s case, as we have a brand new spike track, but original track that was up-fitted with new LSM track.
But I also add a second qualified question: is the ride a fundamentally different experience? This helps address moments like the Incredible Hulk retracking, where the track was 100% replaced and 0% new experience. This retrofit is far more significant than adding a simple element or tweaking launch settings - so it’s a “yes” from me.
Adding it all up, I consider it a fundamentally new cred, distinctively different than its predecessor.
That’s a “maybe” for TT2’s case, as we have a brand new spike track, but original track that was up-fitted with new LSM track.
But I also add a second qualified question: is the ride a fundamentally different experience? This helps address moments like the Incredible Hulk retracking, where the track was 100% replaced and 0% new experience. This retrofit is far more significant than adding a simple element or tweaking launch settings - so it’s a “yes” from me.
Adding it all up, I consider it a fundamentally new cred, distinctively different than its predecessor.
I'll entertain the debate for Hulk or Nemesis retracking, but this is a fundamentally new and different coaster. It's like saying Phantoms Revenge wouldn't be a new cred. Of course it is.
Tempted to make claiming otherwise a bannable offence, to be honest.
Tempted to make claiming otherwise a bannable offence, to be honest.
Matt N
CF Legend
I mostly agree with RCDB’s logic on retracks; I don’t consider new Hulk to be a separate credit to old Hulk, and I don’t consider new Nemesis to be a separate credit to old Nemesis. I’m not even sure I’d consider something like CanCan Coaster to be a separate credit from Eurosat.
One notable exception, however, is that I personally disagree with them on things like Phantom’s Revenge and Powder Keg.
RCDB says that Phantom’s Revenge is the same credit as Steel Phantom and that Powder Keg is the same credit as Buzz Saw Falls, but I’d definitely consider those new credits myself, as the ride experience is totally different.
By that token, I’m tempted to err towards Top Thrill 2 being a new credit, as the hydraulic launch becoming a swing launch is a pretty significant change.
One notable exception, however, is that I personally disagree with them on things like Phantom’s Revenge and Powder Keg.
RCDB says that Phantom’s Revenge is the same credit as Steel Phantom and that Powder Keg is the same credit as Buzz Saw Falls, but I’d definitely consider those new credits myself, as the ride experience is totally different.
By that token, I’m tempted to err towards Top Thrill 2 being a new credit, as the hydraulic launch becoming a swing launch is a pretty significant change.
emoo
Hyper Poster
It puts Dodonpa & Do-Dodonpa together too yet Thorpes Flying Fish (among countless others) have a separate entry just for being moved a little. RCDB is an invaluable website but I think we all have our own thoughts on some details.
Do you really think Cedar Fair can operate 3 trains without stacking? I greatly doubt it. Just been to Canada's Wonderland lately and again US/Canada operations are - well - very slow. With all their 'thumbs up' and japping non-intelligable into the speakers the trains always stacked - and that on way longer coasters. The guys from Olympia Looping could do this, maybe also Disney - but not CP.
MLDesigns
Hyper Poster
At least at opening & hopefully beyond just the first season, absolutely yes. Put the best crew on this ride, with at least 4 operators on the platform, and let them cook. These trains should be very easy to load, which will help.
That said, perfect, zero-stacking-ever operations are pretty much unattainable anywhere. So I expect that while Train 1 is on the swing launch and once Train 2 is loaded, it will be dispatched to that holding block, waiting for the train to clear the top hat. It should be capable of this, but the inevitable "operational hiccup" (large rider, backpack/loose article in line, etc.) will always throw a wrench in operations.