B&M Flyers
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Almost certainly not.
I have no actual experience or proof of this, but I would suspect that the thee processes (restraints locked, trains locked into flying mode, and dispatch) are interlocked with one another.
It's my understanding that the restraints on most coasters are always locked, with the actuators in the station forcing the mechanism(s) to unlock. That way, as soon as the train is not in the station any more, the restraints default to being locked. I would have thought that the same is true for the locking pins for the seats, their default position is to lock and the systems in the station force them to unlock.
So I would imagine that one can't happen before the other. Their sensor/control systems will be designed to only work in certain orders.
Loading: Lock restraints > Rotate seats and lock > Dispatch
Unloading: Stop train > Unlock and rotate seats > Unlock restraints
I have no actual experience or proof of this, but I would suspect that the thee processes (restraints locked, trains locked into flying mode, and dispatch) are interlocked with one another.
It's my understanding that the restraints on most coasters are always locked, with the actuators in the station forcing the mechanism(s) to unlock. That way, as soon as the train is not in the station any more, the restraints default to being locked. I would have thought that the same is true for the locking pins for the seats, their default position is to lock and the systems in the station force them to unlock.
So I would imagine that one can't happen before the other. Their sensor/control systems will be designed to only work in certain orders.
Loading: Lock restraints > Rotate seats and lock > Dispatch
Unloading: Stop train > Unlock and rotate seats > Unlock restraints
Jordanovichy
Credit Whore 2016
Wouldn't it be dangerous too? Towards the end of Air you get reasonably close to the ground, I'd imagine if you weren't in the flying position you'd lose your legs.
I would also imagine that there's another 'fail safe' sensor somewhere that would automatically force an e-stop if the train was dispatched with the seats down. It wouldn't be very complicated to have one last sensor just at the bottom of the lift that monitored the seat position.Mike said:
Screaming Coasters
Strata Poster
Am I making this up, or do B&M Flyers have modems built into the trains to communicate with the control panel?
BBH
Giga Poster
Re: B&M Flyers
Most coaster trains do nowadays, B&M Flyers being in that group, to communicate restraint position and other train conditions. The panel is clearly visible on RMC trains and B&M Wing Coaster trains. (I'm on mobile so I'm not gonna post a picture now.)
Screaming Coasters said:
Most coaster trains do nowadays, B&M Flyers being in that group, to communicate restraint position and other train conditions. The panel is clearly visible on RMC trains and B&M Wing Coaster trains. (I'm on mobile so I'm not gonna post a picture now.)
GuyWithAStick
Captain Basic
Re: B&M Flyers
This made me think, what if B&M could somehow make a flying coaster that can change from Flyer to Invert mid ride?
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This made me think, what if B&M could somehow make a flying coaster that can change from Flyer to Invert mid ride?
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Pretzel Loop standing up, with positive g's forcing you into your shoulders? Ouch.
You can see these modems on the right hand side of B&M wing coaster trains (they will light up when the train is parked in the station). There is also a module on the opposite left, which could be additional onboard sensor controls or possible battery storage for the onboard LEDs?
BBH said:
You can see these modems on the right hand side of B&M wing coaster trains (they will light up when the train is parked in the station). There is also a module on the opposite left, which could be additional onboard sensor controls or possible battery storage for the onboard LEDs?
Hyde said:Pretzel Loop standing up, with positive g's forcing you into your shoulders? Ouch.
You can see these modems on the right hand side of B&M wing coaster trains (they will light up when the train is parked in the station). There is also a module on the opposite left, which could be additional onboard sensor controls or possible battery storage for the onboard LEDs?
Those are just the on-board led lights charging.
Screaming Coasters said:
Not quite - there are a number of proxy sensors (for restriants up, restriants down, seatbelts in, flying position, inverted position) that are all wired into a junction box per seet. Then the junction box wiring loom passes through a flexible cable track to contact pads which touch the contact rail, or third rail as you would, as the train comes into the station (you can see the third rail on the right side of the track). Then the third rail sends the information from the trains to the control box.
Before release, a number of parameters would have to be met, such as, all gates shut, all restriants locked, (4 proxies per seat), seatbelt engaged (internal switch), trains in flying position (potentiometer and proxy) retractable floor (1 proxy up, one proxy down) merge track on the correct setting, lift block unoccupied (proxies on the track) etc.
Stevewalsh1987
Roller Poster
Flyer trains have on board computer that comunicate with the station loading system using infa-red trasmiter recivers (The circular things on the front of the train and on the station wall on Air and Manta) this communicates with the controller that's how they know which seat's are not secure properly. So in normal mode it is impossible to send it round unless all the flying locking has completed. However it could be possible if the B&M mechanics were running it in full manual mode during testing.