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[spicy]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

^ He didn't say "World's First" he said that it will be "the only one of its kind in the world" which you could say about any coaster with a unique layout.

If it is a Eurofighter then excitement over, back to drooling over Swarm.

 

[furie]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Just thought I'd quote this from the planning application covering letter.

This development will take place within the Alton Towers Permitted Development Area, and therefore constitutes permitted development under Part 28 (blah blah). However, the building exceeds 10 Metres in height and therefore for completeness all elements of the proposed development are included within the enclosed application (this is without prejudice to our view that the rollercoaster itself DOES NOT REQUIRE PLANNING PERMISSION)

So they're pretty confident about the plans going through. They'll get spited on the station now :lol:

As for the 195' thing. The plans show both this ride's high point and Oblivion's high point as "195". As Oblivion (at the hand rail, not track) height is probably about 195' above some lower land level (no idea what) then it kind of makes sense? We know Oblivon is around 180' from highest track point to lowest. So this ride, at highest point on top of the hill is equivalent in height. It may be adding two and two and ending up with 14.76 though and may be just some numbers used in the plans that relate to something else.

As for "World's First" - I covered that pages ago. Ian Crabbe said "Like nothing else in the world" which is not "world's first".

 

[bob_3_]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Anyone find the track style a little odd in the plans?

Yes maybe they don't have to show the exact shape of the track, but they did with Thirteen and The Swarm.

Also, it looks like most of the path ways and queue will be underneath the ride, which should make for some great views. All-in-all, happy so far.

 

[T0M]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

It would still be the the first one of its kind and they're DEFINATELY going to sell it as being a world's first as they typically do.

 

[marc]

New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

So after watching the pov of the one in Japan I can say yuk I hate these things

 

[Nic]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

And in response to Nic...

That vertical part is clearly a lift. Not a drop. And even if it was a drop, it's not "beyond vertical" which is why the thing Mushroom found regarding sound comparison is weird.

It makes no sense because it claims this ride is the same type, manufacturer AND has a beyond vertical drop when it does not. Doesn't mean it's all wrong, but it certainly makes me wary.

Very true. I did mean tomention that. Unless there's some crazy **** going on in the station that's not shown on the plans?

Big mess of track and inversions with...various indoor theming bits? I wonder what that big cube in the middle would be.

Don't get too excited. The plans keep saying "Theming Feature NOT building" therefore, I doubt this'll really constitute being "indoors". I'd guess at some kind of Raptor/Swarm style near-miss thing.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up, because I have a feeling it's not going to get approved.

I was thinking this, but...

(this is without prejudice to our view that the rollercoaster itself DOES NOT REQUIRE PLANNING PERMISSION)

Therefore, it might be alright.

He didn't say "World's First" he said that it will be "the only one of its kind in the world" which you could say about any coaster with a unique layout.

This is why I wanted to clarify. So, not a world's first then.

The plans show both this ride's high point and Oblivion's high point as "195"

Several places in the plans refer to "195m". As ridiculous as it seems, I can't think what that would refer to other than meters? That's about 640ft. Oblivions lift hill is apparently 65ft, and Takabisha is apaprently just over 141ft. For those reasons, coupled with the fact that, well, IT'S ALTON, I can't believe that it's really going to be 195 METERS.

So after watching the pov of the one in Japan I can say yuk I hate these things

Clearly you're entitled to your opinion, but I think Takabisha looks pretty sexy... well, for a Eurofighter

 

[T0M]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

According to a source in The Sun, this will be the world's first inverting ride without restraints.

 

[Hixee]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

According to a source in The Sun, this will be the world's first inverting ride without restraints.

 

[bob_3_]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Maybe we'll see something more like Dare Devil Dive, with an omnibus dueling element added?

Thats what I'm seeing anyway.

 

[nealbie]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Yeah, furie, 195m would be like putting Stealth on top of Kingda Ka.

 

[Nic]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Maybe we'll see something more like Dare Devil Dive, with an omnibus dueling element added?

I originally wondered about some kind of duelling element, but then dismissed it. No idea what you mean by "omnibus" though.


Back to the height thing. As well as the infamous "195m" marker, the elevations also show that the highest point is "22.15m" above the ground at that point. The tallest loop later in the layout is shown as "22.8m" above the ground which is lower in that area than the vertical bit. 195ft is just under 60m. Looking again at these plans, even something that high is looking unlikely, although that's not factoring in the comparisons to Oblivion

 

[furie]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Ignore me :lol:

 

[ry1996]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

The ride has to get planning permission, The X-sector area is under General Development Order.
As long as anything built in the area meets the restrictions given to that area, it can be built. The coaster meets these. The only thing that doesn't meet those is the station And that's the only thing that really needs planning permission. Oh and theming elements need it too.

 

[nealbie]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

It also doesn't seem to go anywhere near low enough underground to even start being comparable to the height of Oblivion .

I still like it though.

Hopefully it'll have the 6 seat trains and ride like Lynet. Because the 8 seaters are what stops Fluch being mindblowing!

 

[T0M]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Struggling to see anything beyond vertical in those images furie (I am blind though perhaps).

What images [/innocent whistle] - Furie

 

[bob_3_]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

I originally wondered about some kind of duelling element, but then dismissed it. No idea what you mean by "omnibus" though.

Not sure it's the right word. But What I mean is, unlike say..Dragon Challenge where there's two seperate tracks, it'll be one long track. As the first car starts the second lift, the second starts the first lift. Then they'll reach the top at the same time and the second would complete the first section while the first car completes the second section.

If you look at the layout all the inversions from one half interact with the other half. That way you get to ride both sides of the duel aspect in one ride.

If that's the case I think it's a good enough gimmick for alton to market, but also it looks good like a good solid ride to boot!

 

[Jared]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Hopefully it'll have the 6 seat trains and ride like Lynet. Because the 8 seaters are what stops Fluch being mindblowing!

I'm pretty sure it will, the pull up to the lift hill is much more gradual, much like that on Huracun at Belantis, and Dare Devil Dive.

 

[Mysterious Sue]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

I originally wondered about some kind of duelling element, but then dismissed it. No idea what you mean by "omnibus" though.

Not sure it's the right word. But What I mean is, unlike say..Dragon Challenge where there's two seperate tracks, it'll be one long track. As the first car starts the second lift, the second starts the first lift. Then they'll reach the top at the same time and the second would complete the first section while the first car completes the second section.

If you look at the layout all the inversions from one half interact with the other half. That way you get to ride both sides of the duel aspect in one ride.

If that's the case I think it's a good enough gimmick for alton to market, but also it looks good like a good solid ride to boot!

This sounds plausible and I reckon it could work well.

As for all this 195 stuff, those numbers don't have to be heights, they could be distances, angle bearings from that viewpoint, anything...

 

[furie]

Re: New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

I suspect it may be 195M above sea level - which would make this the tallest coaster in Europe?

The ride has to get planning permission, The X-sector area is under General Development Order.
As long as anything built in the area meets the restrictions given to that area, it can be built. The coaster meets these. The only thing that doesn't meet those is the station And that's the only thing that really needs planning permission. Oh and theming elements need it too.

I loved the extra bit on the covering letter. Something like:

"We didn't have to put in these plans, but because the building is too big, we needed to. If you turn us down, then **** you SMDC, **** you - we're going to build it anyway because we're allowed to, we just won't put in the building, so a great big **** you indeed!"

Obviously in more legal speak

 

[marc]

New "world's first" coaster at Alton Towers 2013

Nic it looks good just not good from on ride.

The good thing with euro fighters are that they are intense and produce great forces.

I just find them hard to ride due to my back. But they may use different trains and restraints

It does look good