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Alton Towers Opening Times

^Exactly... There's bugger all to do at the hotels once the park has shut aside from eat really... Unless the hotels have pushed the boat out on entertainment (I doubt it), then everyone midweek is going to be so bored...

It's daft really... Just daft that Towers need the budget cut so much that they've gone down this route, whilst Chessie can open more longer on the same days with fewer guests...
 
Other resort theme parks open late. In fact, typically they open later than other parks.

I can see the logic that it might encourage people to stay another day, but I don't actually think that would happen in practise. I don't think people pre-think "thats not long in the park, we'll need two days". I don't think many people even look at the opening and closing times. I think people who stay at the Alton hotels would stay there whether it closed at 13:00 or midnight. Actually, it closing later you could argue would encourage people to stay.

I also don't think the opening time puts people off going, or encourages people to come, unless it's a special event, which is why longer hours in August and October make sense and I don't get why the US parks don't really do this. Closing at 9 or 10 is just kind of standard through much of the year in US parks. I think closing at 8 normally, and 10 for special events, would be logical.

I think it's all very much in real time. Come 5, if the park closes, you might think "oh that's a bit crap" and you leave, and thats it. If they closed at 7 or 8, you'd have people running out of steam by 6 and having some dinner. It just makes no sense to me, at all.

I think the numbers of people who'd buy into the eat all day plan are slim. People don't go to theme parks to eat and wanting something to eat is an immediate thing, not pre planed. It's like going grocery shopping when you're not hungry results in not knowing what to get, whilst going when you're hungry results in buying ALL OF THE THINGS.
 
rollermonkey said:
Not really. Less time to eat in a dine all day plan = less food going out at that price

That's all very well and good but who the hell is going to buy one when they're only on park for 6 hours? In the other topic we were all saying how we'd never manage enough food to make it worthwhile on their old opening hours and now that they've been shortened there's even less of an incentive to get one! It's just silly.
 
The only people I recon will buy into it are people who don't go often and ASSUME food costs more than it does. Because a lot of people do think theme park food is expensive. When, really, it's no different to outside.

But it's a disaster move, because like fast track being sold on days when it's not busy and idiots buying them before they analyse the situation, there's going to be complaints! I've seen fast track queues longer than the standard queue before. :/
 
I agree with the thing about longer opening times encouraging people to stay over.

If the park shuts at ten you'll have people who can't or don't want to go home at that time, and so decide to stay over. I know I've only really stayed over before when I've wanted to stay late (or a bum, but that's a bit different)...
 
Nemesis Inferno said:
^Exactly... There's bugger all to do at the hotels once the park has shut aside from eat really... Unless the hotels have pushed the boat out on entertainment (I doubt it), then everyone midweek is going to be so bored...

It's daft really... Just daft that Towers need the budget cut so much that they've gone down this route, whilst Chessie can open more longer on the same days with fewer guests...
The hotel water park opening hours thing shat me too. It opens within the same hours as the park, but its not a full day attraction, so if a daytripper wants to visit it cuts into dry park time.
The water park should open in the evening IMO.

I felt Altons hours are way too stingy too. It's a big park, and in the warmer months your days have long hours of daylight. What's the excuse?
 
Gazza said:
The hotel water park opening hours thing shat me too. It opens within the same hours as the park, but its not a full day attraction, so if a daytripper wants to visit it cuts into dry park time.
The water park should open in the evening IMO.

I was shocked when I stayed at Splash Landings. I figured I could have a day in the park, then in the evening come back and have dinner, maybe play some mini golf and then head to the pool. Nope. I think they underestimate the fact that people travel to the place primarily for the theme park and that the other attractions are a supplement to this, ie, things to do once the park is closed. Also the fact that you had to pay to use the pool and slides despite staying in the Splash Landings hotel. Shameful.

There really is nothing to do once the park is shut and you've had dinner, unless sitting around in a bar all night is your thing (and I know for a lot of people, it is) but yeah, real lack of entertainment on that side of things.
 
Love this photo someone posted on the Alton Facebook page.
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Also Im sure the water park used to be open till later in the evening (around 8pm) as I remember the first time I ever stayed in the hotel we spent the day in the park. Had something to eat and then went in the pool for the evening.
 
I can't see how this will help the park at all, less people will come due to the fact that, well... It's not worth it. So that will mean less money for the park won't it. I won't be visiting the park much this year at all. And looking at their FB wall, it seems like many other people won't be visiting at all.

That picture is great. :lol:
 
Let's be honest the same amount of people will go I cannot see it effecting numbers.

We will still go but will just make sure we get there opening. But if you do end up with an hour queue or a break down it could mean rides are missed. It will also mean picking what rides to go on. We could get round in 6 hours but it would mean missing extra things.

It's just silly that the hours have reduced, but there must be a reason for it.
 
Betting its just another marketing ploy.

Lets advertise short openings during the first week of the season and put out sarcastic messages all over the park. It gets posted everywhere over the internet and soon half the country becomes aware of it. Give it a week or two and Alton put out a cheap PR report saying how "due to extreme popularity" they had to extend their opening hours for the whole season.

Easy marketing IMO...
 
Except the sign is fake... surely... Alton wouldn't be that stupid...
 
Is this really an issue though? Mid week at either end of the season is going to be pretty quiet and you'd easily get everything done still....
 
I don't like this, but just playing Devil's Advocate here.

Have Alton looked at their "off-peak" figures and seen that at these times, food/drink/merchandise sales are low after 4:00 p.m. so it's not worth them paying staff to keep them open? It's all well and good saying "they'll miss out on all that profit from people staying in the park longer", but we don't know they've ever made profit at those times.

We also need to consider is this park close or queue-line close? Queues for some rides can still be up to an hour at closing time. So the park keeps the food stuff open until later anyway. They also advertise things like Woodcutters as "avoid the traffic jams and stay for dinner here".

It IS just cost cutting and money saving and I don't agree with it, but they will have reasons that work monetarily. It does really annoy me as shown by Gazza:

Gazza said:
The hotel water park opening hours thing shat me too. It opens within the same hours as the park, but its not a full day attraction, so if a daytripper wants to visit it cuts into dry park time.
The water park should open in the evening IMO.

As Ollie says, it used to be open until about 8 p.m. (and open at about 8 a.m. too). So as a hotel guest, you could use the pool outside of park hours, extending your "fun time" beyond that of the park. However, they cut it back and this is a win/win for them. They don't need to pay the expensive costs of pool operation, staff, etc but they then force people to use the bars and arcades to entertain themselves. Money, money, money!

And this is what it all comes down to. Cut overheads and increase profits. That's fine if you're struggling as Blackpool did (note - did, I'm not having a knock here they've done well to turn around their fortunes). They're not though, Alton is a profitable park. They're just not as profitable as the investors want, and it's all about "pay back" when you're owned by a larger corporation.

So they reduce operating services to customers to increase profit margins. They're forgetting though that they're a customer service operation. Every person who enters your park expects to be entertained for their money. If they don't get their value for money, then they complain and they stop going. We used to go to Splash Landings regularly, but the shorter opening times and increased prices have made it impossible for us to consider any more. Now, they mustn't have been making enough money, but if somebody pays £250 to stay in a room, then if they're in the pool or not, part of that should be going towards keeping it available for them.

As you squeeze every last penny and bit of patience from your customers, you stop them from returning in the future. It's just a stupid move from a recreation company. They've almost decided that they should live up to the poor image of theme parks. "The Sun says we're bad value for money, well, let's make sure we are!"

As I say, if the park was running up massive debts each year and going under then fine. As it is, it's highly profitable and it's just pure greed from investors wanting more money back quicker.
 
Martyn B said:
Is this really an issue though? Mid week at either end of the season is going to be pretty quiet and you'd easily get everything done still....
I think regardless of other reasons, a full day out should be an opening of 9-5. That's what most attractions go by, many entry free such as museums, which also have 1 late night a week! For a theme park to go by less than that is shameful.
 
Also I'm pretty sure with the hotel you used to get free entry to the waterpark and theme park tickets for 2 days included in the price. Now when you book it they ask you if you want the park tickets and entry to the waterpark which they add on top of the price off the room.

Also someone correct me if Im wrong, but Im pretty certain the pool used to only be open to the hotel guests. First couple of times I went the pool was dead and all you did was have your room key to get in. Went round the slides loads. But now it's so busy with other people you can wait anything from 20 mins to 45 mins just for one slide.

I wouldn't mind the prices increasing slightly. But they're putting the prices up but giving you less and less for your money.
 
The official statement on Towers Times defending the opening times is ridiculous. They try to make out the park is value for money because of Sub-Terra and Ice Age 4D being added this year but it basically boils down to "We've added more attractions and given you less time to enjoy them" with no sense of awareness.
 
That's absolutely standard "spin" though. If somebody is knocking a decision you make, you just point them at a positive, it's what Jordan's learning to do (PR) :p

It's not "reduced opening hours", it's "an increasingly intense, fun-packed experience".

There are no "car parking charge raises", just a "progressive ecological awareness programme".

Gate prices aren't "the highest ever this year", but "entertainment per square foot is at an all time high".

Basically, you just always, without fail, never acknowledge any criticism. You never at any point enter into a discussion with customers publicly. You just respond with anything remotely connected but which is positive and preferably straight off a press release.
 
^And the shocking thing is that people are **** ing stupid enough to fall for it.

Out of boredom / interest I just had a quick look at Alton's Facebook page. It really is staggering how many total muppets are stepping in to defend this decision: "Be gr8full its opning ATALL!!!!!" etc.

Absolute **** wits, the lot of them.
 
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