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Accident at Alton Towers

Hyde said:
Indeed, if Alton is not planning for opening the roller coaster this season, why are they testing? Wait until the off-season to finalize and test all modifications, and start fresh with the new season, with complete zero mention of the ride's reopening.
Yeah, the only thing I can think of is that doing it now means they can use realistic staffing scenarios, maybe in hope of testing the nerfed capacity and other such operational issues, seeing how the implemented H&S actually affects staff? I don't know, guessing. I think they must have some, or have had some, minor intent of opening before the season was out. It's not looking likely now though.
 
The testing time required before all those concerned are satisfied it can open will be considerable. This will be particularly true given the procedural changes associated with the stopping in high winds etc that the new sensors suggest.
 
I was there on Saturday and there was no sign of any trains being sent round, empty or with water dummies.

The X-sector however is completely dead and Oblivion will be a walk on all day
 
Fallout from this ; BBC reporting;

Staffordshire theme park Alton Towers say it is cutting up to 190 salaried jobs by March next year.

In a statement the company says the jobs will go by March next year. The job losses will be a combination of early retirement, non-replacement of existing vacancies, and reployment elsewhere in the company, as well as voluntary redundancies.

Edit ; link -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-st ... e-34771289
 
190 is quite a lot of people.

It says "salaried" people. I assume that some of the on-park people (retail, rides, catering etc) are paid per hour so this is more supervisory and management people going, hence the word "restructure" being used. Can't imagine it's going to be a positive step however it happens.
 
20% of your workforce is a massive chunk to get rid of, hope it doesn't have too much of a knock-on effect.

I'd presume something similar on a smaller scale might happen at some of the other attractions.

That place is run by corporate suits which is a real shame - if they had some balls they'd go all out to move on from the accident and make people forget it by just having the park be tip top.

The fireworks were a good start they were insanely good and must have cost loads!
 
Dare say that they may be taking advantage of the accident and the financial figures to have a clear out of staff that they've been wanting to do for a while. But that's cynical me.
 
^ Definitely a possibility, it is an extremely large cut after all. Perhaps so large that there would be more scrutiny if it weren't for the incident.
 
Human error caused Alton Towers rollercoaster crash in June that seriously injured five people, UK theme park says

The safety control system was manually overridden without the proper protocols being followed, an investigation concluded.

No technical or mechanical issues were found with the ride itself

Guess the report is coming out now then ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34911943

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I know the word "relieved" is inappropriate seeing as two ladies had life changing injuries, but it is reassuring that the safety systems built into the coaster infrastructure were reliable and, presumably, working correctly. Most machines are only as reliable as the person operating it.

We still don't know what the cause of the "human error" was. Did they override the safety system? Did they ignore warnings? That is still unclear. Whatever the reason, neglecting the safety procedure is wrong. I look forward to hearing the reasons behind the "human error".
 
As a lot of us thought would be the case, sadly.

The biggest issue now for the park ignoring the masses of tabloid garbage that will be thrown over the case and the sob stories we'll hear about being bullied on twitter will be did the park put any pressure on those responsible to bypass these safety features; how far up the management chain were these decisions made? Was it just one engineer overriding the safety system? Was he told to do so or worse, trained to do so, by a senior engineer? Was he in turn told to do anything to keep the ride open by his area manager?

I doubt most of these things will be made public, but hopefully this at least brings some closure and the park can move forward.
 
Going by the BBC article, it was a manual override.

Good of them to announce it's to reopen next year now, let the media have their storm before the actual opening.
 
Yeah two important parts from Alton Towers statement are the confirmation that the ride will be re-opening next year, and that the additional safety measures include somebody senior to be present when re-setting the ride as well as several manual reset's located around the ride which I think was mooted on here when some pictures popped up.

I mean, it'd be nice if they try and fix that cobra roll to stop it from valleying again, but maybe that'll happen in the off season.
 
I still think there are wider issues probably not covered by the investigation, in that it the human who over-rode the safety protocols probably did so because of several months of failures. It was just unfortunate this one time there really was an issue. The park really need to look at how the ride was built and fix that, but that may not have been covered in the HSE investigation and so they may not bother.
 
Maybe they need some sort of reset system where two keys have to be turned simultaneously by two people, like in a spy film or something.

I do hope that this reassures the public that coasters are mechanically, technically robust in terms of safety. The safety systems were doing what they were supposed to do. It's the inept "human" who caused the accident, not the coaster itself. This should never, ever happen again.
 
Joey said:
From the info in that article, it's safe to assume that my previous guess was correct. Following the breakdown an engineer reset the ride because it threw up a fault that he'd literally just reset a minute ago. Except this time, the ride wasn't lying. That's my bet. He's wrong for not checking, but he's also human acting on instincts, emotion and accumulated knowledge.

Still this.


I think from the moment we found out the train stopped on the lift hill for a while before restarting into the stalled train it was known that this was going to be down to a manual over ride and therefore human error.

Smithy said:
I mean, it'd be nice if they try and fix that cobra roll to stop it from valleying again, but maybe that'll happen in the off season.

This surely needs to happen after an incident as serious as this..
 
Ian said:
I look forward to hearing the reasons behind the "human error".
My bet is that we will never know for sure, they've said their "human error" bit, and it'll be one of those things were they don't really know the specific cause or can't explain it without it looking ridiculous... Because the reality is, it has to have been someone resetting the system, there's no other explanation.

In the height of a moment, we all do stupid things. Changing lanes on a road without signalling, running to cross a road when you probably shouldn't, putting something in the way that you later trip over, putting flammable objects near flames, overloading power extension cords... Work H&S protocols are in place to try and reduce dumb mistakes, but we all make them whilst simultaneously mocking H&S procedures.

You can't easily explain to the public "someone overrode the system" because they freak out and ask "WHY IS THAT POSSIBLE?" Of course, it has to be possible... My printer's display screen yesterday insisted there was a paper jam. It was lying. I overrode it by turning it off and on again. Coasters are the same. My printer emergency stops itself and warns me of a paper jam with flashing lights and an error message because jammed paper could damage the printer if forced through. Coasters emergency stop themselves and warn of possible collisions when leaves flutter in front of their sensors. You NEED to be able to override all systems, because all systems, especially when preventing harm to themselves or others, are over the top. But humans must perform checks - I must look inside the printer and check there is no printer jammed before I override it, but if I'd had that error message 5 times in a row and every time I'd looked there was no jammed paper, would I override without looking on the 6th time? Probably. And what if there was an actual jam that time?

That doesn't make the system at fault, it still makes the person at fault, but I think we need to be very careful not to judge their actions, because I think all of us are capable of the same. I think it's important to reiterate that.

All coasters have the potential to get stuck like Smiler did - that's not the problem here, the problem is that someone didn't do their checks. Even if Smiler's layout was physically altered to reduce the chance of it getting stuck there, it would still be possible for it to. In any other combination of the factors involved in the accident, there wouldn't have been an accident. This really was a stars aligning kind of incident, and we need to remember that... Even if no H&S procedures or features were added in the wake of it, it probably would never happen again. But they will be added. Many things will have changed when Smiler opens next year, and all of them will make the possibility of this reoccurring less likely.
 
Humans always have a way of mucking up systems. This is especially the case with Amusement Park accidents; I'd venture a guess that the largest contributor to accidents are human error. Alton will retrain, figure out how to automate more of Smiler's system and remove human inputs, and move on.

FWIW, it also still stands that roller coasters are one of the safest modes of transportation out there. Anyone that would be scared to ride a roller coaster out of concern for safety should also look to give up riding in a car, hopping on a bicycle, or especially walking.
 
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