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Yah you can buy at the gate (quick passes) and also around the park (if i remember correctly!!! lol) In regards to average waiting time, as ollie said your looking at 20 minutes or so. Also dont worry about it saying you cannot use for the front line, they are pretty good ride ops and 9 times...

I can only give help in regards to Phantasialand. I went to Phantasialand a month or so after Black Mamba had opened, so we are talking a while back. But me and now the ex decided to grab fast passes or well quick passes as they are called in Phantasialand. so going on that i presume they...

@ollie the penny drops :wink: lol True, sadly to say the ice cream most probably will not come underneath the AP discount. But also i suppose one saving grace if its a market chain e.g. maccy d's, burger king etc etc then the ben & jerrys ice creamwill be good ice cream and not a rip off...

Not sure if this is news worthy or not, but thought i would post anyways :wink: http://www.towerstimes.co.uk/news/system/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1268337729&archive=&template=

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/03/disney-premier-passport-unveiled/

new pic from thorpes facebook page: [/url]

http://www.towerstimes.co.uk/news/system/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1266745619&archive=&template=

Not sure if this is really news or not but worth a read anyways, http://www.towerstimes.co.uk/news/system/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1264289280&archive=&template= my two cents are that of a bit weird that its a smaller line up since he previous season but could be due to cutting...

http://www.thorpeparkmania.co.uk/news/17-12-2009/Saw-Alive-Concept-Art

http://www.towersnerd.com/news/item.php?id=196

Here's the actual article from WSJ if anyone has a subscription: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704541004574600443362702668.html and all found at: http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=837222#837222

:shock: The land of roundabouts twinned with Disney?!?!?!?!?!? What they going to put on display? a set of roundabouts that look like a flower?

Cheers UC, Yah to be honest i understood what you were talking about!!!! and now see the ToT family in a whole new light. But sadly to say (in my eyes anyways dont know if its just be being dumb or what lol) the main question i was wanting to be answered was the fact of why do drop rides...

Thats what i thought because of the forces of being outside VS being enclosed, but it cant be that differnt surely? Also does the ToT family have assisted breaking or are they like the genral outside drop tower, by gravity and hitting the breaks at the bottom, would this be a factor also?

Hey all. I dont know if this is a decent enough question or me being dumb as hell, but was wondering was is it that certain drop rides, say Det' at Thorpe has OTSR's but drop towers such as the ToT rides dont? Cheers in advance!!!

and also a PDF can be found here : http://towersnerd.com/images/news/cuckoo_plans.pdf and all found on: http://www.towersnerd.com/news/item.php?id=192

Just in case anyone is planning a winter weekend getaway and had'nt seen this: http://www.towerstimes.co.uk/

As you will read from the statement below you will it is not 100% yet but they seem adiment that it will happen: http://www.towersnerd.com/news/item.php?id=191 Also this was taken from TowersTimes...

Just found this...... http://www.towersnerd.com/news/item.php?id=189 Havent heard much of the HHN at the towers yet, so i wonder how this will go?!?!?!?!

im not one to Bitch and moan but MRJudorules, you have said on many accounts that you had an utter shute day. to be honest its nothing out of the ordinarey for Thorpe to have break downs and those lengthy q's. So we get the jist of what you are banging on about, but please dont keep going on...