PES is by far the greater game, I've heard all this rubbish about 'off the ball control' being genius, when I've played it and quite frankly, I thought PES does that just as well naturally. As for licsenses, ok it doesnt have the English leagues but it has most of the foreign ones like Real Madrid, on PES4 anyway. Theres nothing like belting a drive shot with Roberto Carlos from the edge of the box, and with FIFA, once you know where the goal is you can virtually score from anywhere with a decent player. And not to mention master league mode, it rules. I dont know about anyone else but I thought it was funny seeing the whole Dutch team being called 'Oranges #14' etc on PES2.