Green Lantern - New credit... or not?

[Hixee]

Just having a discussion with Jer, would you count Green Lantern as a new credit if you'd already ridden it as Chang? The same is true for all relocated coasters I guess! It's never happened for me, and I'd probably have to make my mind up if it ever did, but what do you think?

I can kinda see the arguments for both sides. One side being that it's exactly the same pieces of track, the other being that it's just the same as a clone really.

So what would you do? Would you count it as a new credit, or not?

 

[furie]

I don't count clones, so certainly wouldn't count this

 

[marc]

It is one count its the same coaster, a name change does not make it a new credit sorry to say.

 

[Snoo]

Nope.


I like these analogies I've created:

Relocated: Take one car and repaint it and change nothing else.. could you say you've ridden in two different individual cars? No. Hence, one credit.

Clones: Take two different cars but the same model. Can you say you've been in two different individual cars? Yes. Hence, two credits.


When the track changes.. that ventures into what counts and what doesn't. Texas Giant, for example, would be two credits for the before and after. Son of Beast, with and without the loop, would not.

 

[Thekingin64]

Even though I have not been on Chang, I would count Green Lantern as a new credit as I have counted Traumatizer at Pleasureland and Infusion at PBB. Same Track, Same Layout, 2 creds.

 

[Hyde]

Same track, same credit.

 

[ECG]

Even though I have not been on Chang, I would count Green Lantern as a new credit as I have counted Traumatizer at Pleasureland and Infusion at PBB. Same Track, Same Layout, 2 creds.

Infusion & Traumatizer are the same coaster, only with a different paint job & at a different location. Like Green Lantern - 1 Cred, so I didn't change the cc in my sigi after riding GL today since I already rode Chang.

 

[madhjsp]

Definitely not a new credit. Snoo's car analogy perfectly explains why.

You could take it one step further to explain why a re-tracked coaster such as Intimidator 305 or even Texas Giant shouldn't count as a new credit either. When you have a car serviced and parts are replaced, or if you had extensive body work or engine modifications done, it's still the same car. A restored/improved version of it, yes, but still the same physical car.

 

[furie]

Clones: Take two different cars but the same model. Can you say you've been in two different individual cars? Yes. Hence, two credits.

My issue is this... If you went for a job as a professional test driver for a car review magazine, or a manufacturer and they said:

"So, how much experience do you have of driving different cars?"

and you're answer was:

"I've driven 200 cars"

The issue is that if all of those 200 cars were different Toyota Yaris then it's completely irrelevant. The job is really after you having experience riding different models. You've not lied in the interview, but it may get you the job over somebody who has only driven 50 cars, but they were all Ferraris, Porches, Astons, etc.

So it all comes down to how you're presenting your coaster count. Is it simply a record for you to keep personally, or is it something you show off (maybe in your sig) to give people an idea of the kind of roller coaster riding powerhouse you are, and how much people should respect your opinion?
I don't actually think this, I just think it's an amusing counter argument

 

[Inverse]

What about themeing?

We all agree that themeing is a very important part of a ride experience. So if a ride moves and is completely re-themed, more than just a station theme, they add some head/foot choppers, maybe move it indoors with lights or put it in a Nemesisesque canyon, is it more valid to count it as a second credit?

It's all personal, as Furie said. If anyone did create a set of coaster-counting rules then it'd increase the competition in it and the whoring, which I don't particularly like.

 

[Mushroom]

Stays at park, but has a re-theme, like Rat Ride going to Raptor Attack at Lightwater, no new cred.

Re-location, I would count it as a new cred. As its not at its original park. If it gets re-located within a park (like the SLC at Terra Mitica and the Go-Gator at Flamingo Land) It will not count as a extra coaster

 

[Hyde]

^ Despite the fact that it is the exact same track with different coloring?

If I root for my favorite sports team at a home game and then an away game, am I rooting for two different sports teams? (different uniforms, different stadium, different fans, etc.)

 

[nadroJ]

I do count relocated coasters, but mainly because of laziness because a lot of the time I haven't realised it's a relocated coaster and have counted it and can't be bothered to trail back through my count and amend it ;]

So yes, I'd count it.

 

[Thekingin64]

Even though I have not been on Chang, I would count Green Lantern as a new credit as I have counted Traumatizer at Pleasureland and Infusion at PBB. Same Track, Same Layout, 2 creds.

Infusion & Traumatizer are the same coaster, only with a different paint job & at a different location. Like Green Lantern - 1 Cred, so I didn't change the cc in my sigi after riding GL today since I already rode Chang.

I know that they are both the same coaster. I count both of them as it's a diiferent ride experience. So I at least I count relocated coasters as 2 creds.

 

[ECG]

I know that they are both the same coaster. I count both of them as it's a diiferent ride experience. So I at least I count relocated coasters as 2 creds.

Let's go back to the car example. If you put new suspension & shocks on a old car it will give you a new ride experience, but it's still the same car. It's a coaster cred after all, not a ride experience cred. :roll:
One thing's for sure, I'm don't take people's cc as actual experience in riding various coasters because of thinking like that (and that fact that the majority of Brit counts are skewed by them riding a ton of Big Apple, Wacky Worms & the like).

 

[Ben]

(and that fact that the majority of Brit counts are skewed by them riding a ton of Big Apple, Wacky Worms & the like).

Ummmmm. OK babes. Yeah... No kiddies in the US whatsoever. Every single cred there is a B&M, no exceptions.

My summary on this is it's your own decision, and if you feel the need to sit around and pick apart how other people count roller-coasters, you really need to get out the house a bit more.

 

[ECG]

No kiddies in the US whatsoever. Every single cred there is a B&M, no exceptions.

Never said that, but they are certainly more Big Apple & Wacky Worms in the UK counts than in the US member counts.

...if you feel the need to sit around and pick apart how other people count roller-coasters, you really need to get out the house a bit more.

Yeah, I've got absolutely nothing else going on in my life & never go anywhere. :roll:

 

[Ben]

No, there's just as many kiddies in the US as over here, just because they're something other than Big Apples makes no difference whatsoever.

 

[LiveForTheLaunch]

Nope, it's exactly the same coaster, and though it may have been rethemed, I've ridden that track before and it's the same experience. I never counted Dominator or Thunderhawk twice, simply because I think a coaster count should be how many separate coasters you've ridden, and a relocated coaster is not two separate coasters.

The car analogy is perfect, really.

 

[CMonster]

I wouldn't count it. It's the same exact coaster.

Aren't clones all slightly different, though? Like, not a lot, but a little because humans aren't perfect in construction and stuff?