Thorpe Park | Hyperia | Mack Hyper Coaster | 2024
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Matt N
CF Legend
I wouldn’t read too much into that; Merlin makes typos and spelling inconsistencies a surprising amount!
CoasterHour
Roller Poster
I reached out to them on Facebook about 30 minutes ago, but maybe try it as well or through email or something.
Matt N
CF Legend
Great; thank you! If they give you a response, do tell us!
CoasterHour
Roller Poster
I will but I'm not expecting an answer for a little while, not related to this thread but I also did reach out to Gumbuya World about Buzzsaw to see if that's legit.
Nicky Borrill
Strata Poster
I guess that's what happens when a park's fans spout rumours every single year, and the park's staff join in with fake teasers...
Like I said though, more than once now, I'm a lot more convinced it is genuine...
Excited to see what it will be...
I think my money is on a GCI or other woodie...
I'd most like an RMC, but I think it is amongst the least likely option.
My favourite 'realistically could happen' option is that B&M Hyper you long for
Intamin Forever
Mega Poster
So the 3 coaster B&M deal must be true because of the coaster at the new Legoland in China, Chessington’s new coaster and this probably.
I hope it’s a ride like the Flight Of The Himalayan Eagle Music Coaster, for the people who don’t know what the heck I’m talking about, it’s a smaller model of the hyper coaster, which would not effect the flight path for Heathrow Airport.
I hope it’s a ride like the Flight Of The Himalayan Eagle Music Coaster, for the people who don’t know what the heck I’m talking about, it’s a smaller model of the hyper coaster, which would not effect the flight path for Heathrow Airport.
Nicky Borrill
Strata Poster
Heathrow's flight path doesn't effect the park below 500ft... (or 150M to be precise!)
Will
Strata Poster
I don't think it's so much that - a lot of us were young idealists like you once, Matt - but have been in this game a LONG time which has taught us to approach some things with trepidation - Alton crates, anyone? So this thread got me reconsidering what I said earlier about pessimism
I passed an HS2 construction site the other day and joked to my Mum that I could get young enthusiasts excited if I posted a picture and lied about the location
Having said that, I have every confidence that we will see a new coaster from Thorpe this decade. Whether it's this one remains to be seen.
Indeed, from what I can tell from certain documents, Thorpe Park falls just outside of the conical surface around Heathrow and in the outer horizontal surface, which has a height limit of 150m. Which raises the question of why so many people believe Thorpe are bound by 200ft-ish height limits.
Matt N
CF Legend
I don’t know about you guys, but I honestly reckon we could learn a fair amount about Thorpe’s coaster from this consultation.
For instance, I’d expect that we’ll at very least discover a broad description of the ride that limits the scope of our guesses down to a much greater degree than it was previously; to use Chessington’s initial consultation in May as an example (given both are Merlin properties, I’d imagine that Merlin would want to keep procedures fairly consistent), the initial consultation they did revealed most of the key info. For instance:
So from this consultation, I’d imagine we should expect:
For instance, I’d expect that we’ll at very least discover a broad description of the ride that limits the scope of our guesses down to a much greater degree than it was previously; to use Chessington’s initial consultation in May as an example (given both are Merlin properties, I’d imagine that Merlin would want to keep procedures fairly consistent), the initial consultation they did revealed most of the key info. For instance:
- It was revealed then that it would be a “family thrill” shuttle coaster with a potential inversion and a 1.4m height restriction.
- The basic ride layout was also confirmed, as well as a rough idea of scale.
- The big theming structure and the land with the 2 additional filler rides was also confirmed at the initial consultation.
- I even remember the winged seating being thrown around by people who’d been to the consultation back then, although I’m unsure if winged seating was expressly confirmed at the initial consultation.
So from this consultation, I’d imagine we should expect:
- A broad description of what the ride is and what it does. A manufacturer may or may not be confirmed, but I’d imagine we may be able to take a fair stab based on what the park says about the ride. In terms of what I mean here; if the ride were a hyper coaster, for instance, the park would probably say that they were building a tall out and back coaster with lots of large airtime hills.
- A basic overview of the layout. Even though they probably won’t delve too much into specifics, they’ll probably show the footprint the ride will take up, the basic layout and the essence of what it does, the rough scale they expect (we expect the ride to be around [x]ft tall with [x] high points).
- With the site being picked, I’d also imagine that Thorpe may specify what’s being removed in terms of rides, infrastructure, trees etc.
- We may also get some hint at the theme, such as any theming structures being included. Chessington’s consultation revealed the basic jungle style theme, as well as the big theming structure.
rob666
Hyper Poster
Because they watch crap video blogs on you tube?
Nicky Borrill
Strata Poster
Yes, exactly! Although it does appear part of the park lies inside the IHS, (interestingly, the part containing Stealth) it also appears that old town lies inside the OHS... And outside the IHS
Even if the entire park lies inside the IHS, the limit is 67.87M AOD which equals 222ft... Thorpe Park also sits around 10M below the threshold for 09R.
I wish we could put to bed this 'they can't build tall because of Heathrow' thing once and for all. I mean, have you seen the height of some of the buildings on the approach to 27L and 27R!!!!
Nicky Borrill
Strata Poster
Sorry Matt, Benjacobs had already used the full term in his post, so I assumed that I could use the abbreviations…
They are Inner horizontal surface and outer horizontal surface… They are zones, spreading out from an airport, that amongst other things, define protected areas, such as areas with certain build height limits. So Heathrow has a small roughly 4-5km ish radius area around it with a 68m height limit, and also a bigger radius around it with a 150m height limit.
This is the rough copy of Heathrow’s (there’s a much more detailed map available too, but it’s pdf)
Matt N
CF Legend
Cheers @Nicky Borrill; thanks for clarifying that! I’ll admit I know very little about this sort of thing and have been trying to do some research in order to justify that a hyper could be built over on another forum. This is very helpful!
For what it’s worth, I looked at Thorpe on Google Earth, and it’s apparently around 6.5km as the crow flies from Heathrow, if we look at the southernmost extremity of Heathrow and the northernmost extremity of Thorpe Park (I went with the top of the car park where cars actually enter the site).
Out of interest, how can you tell what bits of Thorpe are within the inner area?
Nicky Borrill
Strata Poster
Actually Matt... Found this for you, explains it WAYYYY better than I ever could! https://www.pagerpower.com/news/about-obstacle-limitation-surfaces-overview/
Without access to the detailed zoomable plan, I can't, I can only make a rough guess... But the point is, the limit is at least 222ft either way, giving them scope to build the UK's tallest coaster. And lying on the very edge, would give them a very high chance of gaining permission to exceed that height even if they are just inside anyway.
Thorpe have a much bigger job on their hands getting around local council planning than they do getting around Heathrow limitations... I don't see them struggling there to be fair either.