Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Rocky Mountain Wood
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Uncle Arly
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Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
And when does a discussion turn into an argument? I was merely discussing yours and my opinions on this coaster.
And when does a discussion turn into an argument? I was merely discussing yours and my opinions on this coaster.
SaiyanHajime
CF Legend
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
Either argue (or discuss, same thing different name
) about the coaster or leave it. When a post contains nothing about the argument and is just personal insults, it doesn't belong on the forums anymore, Ben.
I personally think this is a wooden coaster. There will always be grey areas, but this embodies everything that a wooden coaster is about. It's soul is very much that of a wooden coaster. It's going to behave like one. It looks like one, too. And really, that's all that actually matters.
Either argue (or discuss, same thing different name
) about the coaster or leave it. When a post contains nothing about the argument and is just personal insults, it doesn't belong on the forums anymore, Ben. I personally think this is a wooden coaster. There will always be grey areas, but this embodies everything that a wooden coaster is about. It's soul is very much that of a wooden coaster. It's going to behave like one. It looks like one, too. And really, that's all that actually matters.
michaellll
Mega Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
You can disagree all you want. I'm just stating that you seem to be arguing something separate from his point.
He said that RMC's innovation in the "wooden" industry parallels Intamin's innovation in the steel industry.
That's different from RMC woodies becoming the new Intamin woodies, which seems to be what you're focused on.
Ethan said:
You can disagree all you want. I'm just stating that you seem to be arguing something separate from his point.
He said that RMC's innovation in the "wooden" industry parallels Intamin's innovation in the steel industry.
That's different from RMC woodies becoming the new Intamin woodies, which seems to be what you're focused on.
gopats1479
Mega Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
I really don't care if there's any steel in it. In my mind (and eyes) it is a wooden coaster. And the best candidate (so far) for best new ride of 2013. And an INVERTING WOODIE!!!!!! Hello, people! Who cares if there's a wee bit of steel in the double barrel roll? It has wooden track: therefore...
Any ideas where CF Live should go to next year? Hint hint...
I really don't care if there's any steel in it. In my mind (and eyes) it is a wooden coaster. And the best candidate (so far) for best new ride of 2013. And an INVERTING WOODIE!!!!!! Hello, people! Who cares if there's a wee bit of steel in the double barrel roll? It has wooden track: therefore...
Any ideas where CF Live should go to next year? Hint hint...
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
Due to all the footers, the total amount of concrete used in the construction probably weighs more than all the wood. Wouldn't that make it a concrete coaster?
Due to all the footers, the total amount of concrete used in the construction probably weighs more than all the wood. Wouldn't that make it a concrete coaster?
Intricks
Strata Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
So Ben, Voyage, Ravine Flyer II, White Lightning and whatever other wooden coasters (Hades?) that contain a 90 degree bank turn aren't considered a modern wooden coaster?
They use steel beams for their support structure, but they are a modern wooden coaster using STEEL BEAMS....which is what this uses. So my argument of using the phrase "all wooden" (in reference to the fact that steel beams are a component of modern wooden coasters, which you complained about) is still true as they are used on there.
Please don't revert to childish antics while having a discussion, makes you seem like a sore loser :3
So Ben, Voyage, Ravine Flyer II, White Lightning and whatever other wooden coasters (Hades?) that contain a 90 degree bank turn aren't considered a modern wooden coaster?
They use steel beams for their support structure, but they are a modern wooden coaster using STEEL BEAMS....which is what this uses. So my argument of using the phrase "all wooden" (in reference to the fact that steel beams are a component of modern wooden coasters, which you complained about) is still true as they are used on there.
Please don't revert to childish antics while having a discussion, makes you seem like a sore loser :3
TrevorBondi305
Mega Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
I don't understand what all the fuss about steel v wood is. Nine moments of airtime, 3 inversions, no OTSR's, seems like a pretty good ride regardless of being steel or wood.
I don't understand what all the fuss about steel v wood is. Nine moments of airtime, 3 inversions, no OTSR's, seems like a pretty good ride regardless of being steel or wood.
B&MintaminGCI
Roller Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
Using that logic makes no sense to me. You can do anything that previous woodies have done with steel, so why even make wooden roller coasters anymore?
Using that logic makes no sense to me. You can do anything that previous woodies have done with steel, so why even make wooden roller coasters anymore?
Intricks
Strata Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
Tradition. The whole argument is "Why add inversions on a wooden coaster, when steel does it better". They are expecting this to fail like Son of Beast did, when Son of Beast had a mountain of problems that started at the design stage.
It is as Joey said, this is a grey area.
At least I believe it was him lol.
This is something people debated upon when El Toro opened up. You don't have the traditional wooden feel, so is it a true wooden coaster? Especially when you are just putting pieces of a puzzle together in a sense. This is a necessary evolution that wooden coasters have to take in order to still be seen as hip and wanted as their steel counterparts.
Tradition. The whole argument is "Why add inversions on a wooden coaster, when steel does it better". They are expecting this to fail like Son of Beast did, when Son of Beast had a mountain of problems that started at the design stage.
It is as Joey said, this is a grey area.
At least I believe it was him lol.
This is something people debated upon when El Toro opened up. You don't have the traditional wooden feel, so is it a true wooden coaster? Especially when you are just putting pieces of a puzzle together in a sense. This is a necessary evolution that wooden coasters have to take in order to still be seen as hip and wanted as their steel counterparts.
_koppen
Hyper Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
Because of your arguing, it really looks like you don't.
The guy has never said anything that RMC projects looks like Intamin woodies.
He said that RMC is now like Intamin in the wooden coaster world.
I really think you should cool off.
Ethan said:
You do realize there is a "of the" in between the "Intamin" and "woodies", Right?B&MintaminGCI said:
Because of your arguing, it really looks like you don't.
The guy has never said anything that RMC projects looks like Intamin woodies.
He said that RMC is now like Intamin in the wooden coaster world.
I really think you should cool off.
Intricks
Strata Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
I actually disagree with how B&MintaminGCI stated it. I don't think that at all as Intamin is just going with the "We build it bigger, taller and faster than the rest" routine. No real thought on the refining process to help those rides go from a few hidden gems in a vast sea of ****, to every ride is a proper treasure. So while it seems like they are trying to focus on the future, they really aren't.
B&M is trying to think of the future, but they are a bit too scared to really go forward in the design department and let loose of the restraints they've ultimately placed upon themselves.
RMC is doing what both of those companies should be doing. They are pushing the limits in a safe and refined manner without going over the top on their first built ride. While double barrel rolls and a 153 overbank seems extravagant, they are also on the safe side of any element out there.
I actually disagree with how B&MintaminGCI stated it. I don't think that at all as Intamin is just going with the "We build it bigger, taller and faster than the rest" routine. No real thought on the refining process to help those rides go from a few hidden gems in a vast sea of ****, to every ride is a proper treasure. So while it seems like they are trying to focus on the future, they really aren't.
B&M is trying to think of the future, but they are a bit too scared to really go forward in the design department and let loose of the restraints they've ultimately placed upon themselves.
RMC is doing what both of those companies should be doing. They are pushing the limits in a safe and refined manner without going over the top on their first built ride. While double barrel rolls and a 153 overbank seems extravagant, they are also on the safe side of any element out there.
Youngster Joey
Strata Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
This is the stupidest argument I've ever seen on a fan forum. I've seen some bad one's on gaming forums but for pete's sake guys let it go. Everyone has there own opinion. Not to mention this argument is going to go nowhere.
(Applies to both whether RMC is the Intamin of woodies or if it's a woody or steel)
This is the stupidest argument I've ever seen on a fan forum. I've seen some bad one's on gaming forums but for pete's sake guys let it go. Everyone has there own opinion. Not to mention this argument is going to go nowhere.
(Applies to both whether RMC is the Intamin of woodies or if it's a woody or steel)
JJLehto
Hyper Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
Of course this is just us enthusiasts being our usual dumb selves.
In reality who cares, long as its a good ride it could be made of glass...
Until we get a POV or more pics we can only argue about how "wooden" it is haha
I will say though, call me traditional if you want, but I do struggle to see the point.
Wood looks amazing, the structure, the ambiance, those rolls, all beautiful but why not just make steel?
Wood has a feel, steel has a feel, with these woodies practically being steel I just see no point.
Shenanigans aside, this coaster looks great.
"outside" banked turn? Has that even been done on a steel ride??
Of course this is just us enthusiasts being our usual dumb selves.
In reality who cares, long as its a good ride it could be made of glass...
Until we get a POV or more pics we can only argue about how "wooden" it is haha
I will say though, call me traditional if you want, but I do struggle to see the point.
Wood looks amazing, the structure, the ambiance, those rolls, all beautiful but why not just make steel?
Wood has a feel, steel has a feel, with these woodies practically being steel I just see no point.
Shenanigans aside, this coaster looks great.
"outside" banked turn? Has that even been done on a steel ride??
coaster_rider93
Mega Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
Thankyou!
Youngster Joey said:
Thankyou!
gopats1479
Mega Poster
Re: Silver Dollar City |"Outlaw Run"| Wooden Hybrid Coaster
See Steel Hawg, Mumbo Jumbo, and all of the El Loco S&S coasters.
JJLehto said:
See Steel Hawg, Mumbo Jumbo, and all of the El Loco S&S coasters.
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