I thought it was even way longer than that. Then again, Maverick opened was right before I joined, so I never participated in it. But the impression I got from it in later years was that it contained such an amount of ****posting at times that it approached 1000 pages. That could have been an exaggeration, however.That said, we 'lost' everything prior to the forum upgrade 2008/09(?), there were some absolute monsters back in the day. Maverick in particular, as there was so little known about the coaster (and therefore tons of speculation and hype) AND it was back before social media was big enough to hold most of the traffic - the golden age of forums! I recall that one being up around 200 pages.
First of all, to make extravagant claims that Rookburgh's details are below Phantasialand's standards are simply ridiculous. None of us on here have actually been inside the area so none of us know the current state of the detail, progression and theming inside the area. You are so quick to criticise everyone who remains optimistic, but I know for a fact that this area will emulate detail and be just as immersive as everyone single one of Phantasialand's areas.Neither have you, yet you (and many others) keep defending it and calling it world class. It might look awesome compared to Six Flags standards, but Rookburghs details are currently way below the standards Phantasialand has set in the past 10 years for itself. You have tall, mostly just painted walls on the outside, that's it. Compare this to Klugheim or Chiapas which feature lots of details on the walls to make them look less bland. Sure, Rockwork is easier for a vibrant look, but buildings can also feature plenty of details. Rookburgh lacks these for the most part and it does not look like Phantasialand is going to change it. Just look at the rusty wall on the outside. The inside looks better, but better does not mean good. And the amount of money spend is not neccessary related to the quality of the work. Universal Rocks isn't cheap, but if you tell them to build a bland wall, they are going to do it.
The Steampunk topic does not appear to be featured at all in its current state, its more a random industrial theme. Maybe the details are coming in later and I will look stupid afterwards, but looking at Klugheim, I have little hope that they are going to touch those walls again.
I don't want to hate on Rookburgh just to be against the mainstream, I just want to give some critical points as most people seem to think that Phantasialand is going to deliver perfect theming. They never have in the past, quite the opposite, they left huge holes in the theming, and Rookburgh will likely feature them as well. Just think about the Green Wall in Klugheim. Or the painted concrete walls in Tarons queue.
So you have never been in there either, yet my critique (which is undermined by several pictures and/videos from the area) is invalid as I have not entered the area in person, but praising it in its current state is fine.None of us on here have actually been inside the area so none of us know the current state of the detail, progression and theming inside the area. You are so quick to criticise everyone who remains optimistic, but I know for a fact that this area will emulate detail and be just as immersive as everyone single one of Phantasialand's areas.
I have not seen the Green Wall, the bored piles or the blank concrete in the artwork for Klugheim. The Artwork is meant to give an idea how it is supposed to look, and will focus on the features they want to include.How do I know that? Because I have the Rookburgh gazette right next to me.
Sounds fine, Klugheim feels pretty medieval to me.Regarding comments that the detail and design we have seen so far doesn't fit into the "steampunk" theme,[...]. That would be like categorising klugheim as a "medieval" theme.
It's not bad themed, but this alone disqualifies the area as world class. Immersion is very fragile and you have to remain consistent in the kind of theming, so the world you are trying to build appears real. A huge Green Metal wall will break any immersion as soon as it's seen. Same goes for dark concrete walls, if the other walls in the area are handcrafted and highly detailed. It will still look good, and even world class in some places, but the immersion will be broken in places, so the whole area gets dragged down by a few oversights.Regarding the walls. Klugheim isn't categorised as a "bad themed area" just because of the huge green metal wall by Taron's extension queueline.
I do not complain about the existence of a wall, but the look of it. Yes, walls are hard to conceal, but it's possible. Chiapas is build around one giant wall which does not feel out of place at all, Klugheim has the rockwork as noise protection.You may not like the rest of the walls in Rookburgh, but the park needed a sufficient sound barrier to block out the noise that the area is going to make so the neighbours aren't so disturbed.
Thats were we differ: My hypetrain got derailed years ago, after I looked a little closer than the average guest. I am not talking about the details, you only see after 100 visits, but things you blend out when you just walk by 1 or 2 times a year. I really want the area to live up to all your expectations, but I don't see Phantasialand keeping the level up.I have no doubts that the experience of Rookburgh will live up to the very high standards of Phantasialand.
To some extend I agree. However, I'd just like to add for consideration that the fragility you mention is after all somewhat subjective and very much depends on what you're willing or used to tolerate. I also don't like the concrete tunnel and I'd prefer some more rock over the green wall, but it does not drag down the whole thing for me. I mean, just for the sake of taking a widened perspective on the subject: The mere presence of the crowd of visitors and, well, of the rollercoaster with its track and supports obviously breaks the perfect illusion that you were, say, in an old norse cultures' village (in the case of Klugheim). So you'd never be perfect.It's not bad themed, but this alone disqualifies the area as world class. Immersion is very fragile and you have to remain consistent in the kind of theming, so the world you are trying to build appears real. A huge Green Metal wall will break any immersion as soon as it's seen. Same goes for dark concrete walls, if the other walls in the area are handcrafted and highly detailed. It will still look good, and even world class in some places, but the immersion will be broken in places, so the whole area gets dragged down by a few oversights.
How did you manage to find these @Hixee? As there are a fair few construction threads older than 2009 that I’d love to have a look at!Ah, waybackmachine! Screengrab from the forums on 15th October 2007:
Maverick had 4769 posts, spanning 341 pages. Although this is as the forums were laid out back then, averaging about 14 posts/page. Nowadays we're around 20 posts/page, so Maverick would be about 240 pages in the current layout.
Still, FLY is small-fry compared to either.
The hypocrisy in this thread is hilarious. You attack others for critiquing the area, saying there's no way we'd know yet, but then you make just as bold of a statement yourself. You really do make me laugh.I know for a fact that this area will emulate detail and be just as immersive as everyone single one of Phantasialand's areas.
Adorable that you think good marketing always means a good final product.The concept art in the Rookburgh gazette emulates the level of detail that this themed area is going to have when this area finally comes to life for the public. No other park, has ever produced a newspaper to my knowledge, with such high level of detail as the Rookburgh gazette.
Right...I personally really like the detail from the rest of the walls so far and think when standing in the area it's going to make you feel really small with these towering walls around you. I'm confident that when standing down in the area itself that the walls will have more layers, theming pieces and props which really surround you in an immersive atmosphere.
Sorry? Then we better close the forum. Because everyone can share their opinion, so they may not like something. And yes most of you get excited as soon as there is a concrete wall painted brown. And we have a critical opinion about that. And you can like it or dislike it. That doesn't matter. I think many here are a little too much in their "Phantasy" world with this project. I prefer to look at what we have. And there are good things and bad things (and very bad things). And thinks it should be negotiable. Thats how it works on a forum..