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Where do YOU stand?

  • 'They're all ****'

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The other ones that can't really do anything

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I can't vote.

    Votes: 3 17.6%

  • Total voters
    17

kimahri

CF Legend
Soooo, yeah, I work in a solicitors and **** and one of the dudes who founded the company is like a Lord for the Labour party or a politician or whatever so like, the general position of the company swings towards Labour and that ends up starting up conversations when ever David Cameron or anyone else appears on the TV in the Reception area. They usually go along the lines of 'ugh, Cameron, he should be shot' followed by the receptionist asking who we're going to vote for in the next election and I thought to my self a couple minutes ago what are people's political position on CF. I was hesitant at first, the US election thread was safe but the British members seem to want to argue a lot easier and thus a large dispute breaks out and the fabric of CF it's self is torn and ruined but who cares, tell me anyway!

Personally, I'm politically neutral. I don't care for any of the parties and I don't vote. Also Ed Miliband has a weird face.
 

peep

CF Legend
I tend to vote but they're all awful so I go for who I dislike the least. I actually hate the two main parties then all the others seem ok but have some major flaw making them just as bad as the main two.

This should be an interesting topic to read though.
 

furie

SBOPD
Staff member
Administrator
Moderator
My official political stance is "it doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in".

I was watching The Iron Lady last night, and as abysmal as the 80's were in terms of shafting the poor, causing riots, etc, etc, etc - at least Thatcher came from a poor background. She also, for a while, turned the country around. Then it all went pear shaped and Anthony Head had to resign and it was funny because he was playing Mr Whippy Head.

My issue is that politics in this country is run for the politicians and their friends and not for the good of the people. Whenever anyone tries to make big business or the rich pay more, the politicians back away rapidly. The poor are also well looked after (relatively anyway) - so if you don't/can't work, you will still get a roof and food. The issue tends to always be in the middle, where the people working 40 hours+ for more than minimum wage support the entire country. When the money starts to run out, it's the middle earners who have to bear the brunt. More taxes (either directly or indirectly), lack of means testing so even if working you have no money left after food and rent, you get no subsidies, etc, etc.

It's hard to think that multimillionaire Cameron has ever had to struggle to buy new glasses for his kids because there's not enough money left over.

That's by the by though really. The biggest issue for me is that if I was Lord Harumph of Miserableshire and I donated £1,000,000 of my money to the Gits Party (probably tax free and with tax benefits), then I have a vested interest in that party when they come to power. If they want to then start taxing sad faces in £200,000,000 miserable mansions in miserableshire, then there's a conflict of interests if I say "don't forget that £1,000,000 donation and I'm just writing the cheque for next year...". If the Gits Party pass the tax, they lose funding and the party may not have enough to put up a decent stand in the next election. If they drop the proposed taxes, then they are in contempt of office. Yet, that's pretty much how it happens.

How can you trust any government that is more beholden to the people who pay for the party to run than to the people they govern?*

And don't get me started on cabinet appointments! How can somebody move from say, Ministry of Transport, to become Minister for Health? What education in either of those industries do you have, and how can you run a department you have no working knowledge of? Why are so many large scale projects and service changes cancelled or run over by billions? I suspect a link...**

And the idea of a four/five year term where at the end there's no punishment for failed ideas or projects if you are ousted? "Sod it, it's somebody else's problem now we've screwed it up".***

And backtracking. Eugh. What is the point of an opposition party if the first thing they do is keep everything that went before anyway? I'd forgotten about the Poll Tax riots. Labour did an excellent job of getting rid of that in their term didn't they?****

Bunch of ****, the lot of them.

Douglas Adams quote here, works just as well for Prime Ministers
Douglas Adams said:
Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.



*Solution: for this it's easy. The government at every election issues an "election bond" to each party based on the number of MPs they have. This is the only money that can be used to canvas and "advertise" their party for elections. There should also be a cap on the amount of money that a party can accept for day to day operations - all audited. That way everyone gets a fair slice of pie and nobody ends up financially dependent on anyone.

**Solution: Specialist areas of expertise that you work in during your political career. If you want to become Minister for IT, then you need to obtain a qualification in IT. If you aren't academically qualified (or have XX number of years experience in the industry), then you can't do the ministerial job. Positions in the cabinet should be more akin to applying for a job than a reward for arselicking.

***Solution: Full audit of the reason for the failure and the people in charge or responsible get struck off and are never allowed into politics again. A nice fine wouldn't go amiss either...

****Solution: Put the whole bloody lot of them against a wall and shoot them.
 

nadroJ

CF Legend
My problem is that I don't know enough about each party. I really want to vote, but I refuse to do so on an uneducated basis. So I decided to try and educate myself. I went and read about the policies of each party. And I concluded that, overall, they all seem to want to same thing so I couldn't really see a difference.

So I've never voted. Every year I read about what party wants what, and every year they all seem equally vile to me. I just feel like none of their policies directly affect me yet, because I'm a student whose education is paid for by my parents, so anything to do with student fees doesn't bother me. I'm not in a 'proper' job yet, so anything to do with employment doesn't bother me either. I'm not an environmental extremist or violent racist, so I won't vote for the BNP or the Green Party, for instance. And stuff to do with women's rights or gay rights or whatever has long since passed, so unlike in America where Obama would have gotten my vote because Romney is a pig, I just don't feel that way about anyone in British politics.

I wish they'd be more Americanised and shove it down our throats to be honest. At least that way I'd have some clue as to what parties are campaigning for what and when.
 

furie

SBOPD
Staff member
Administrator
Moderator
I can kind of understand that Jordan, as the political landscape is very bland and there's very little difference between the parties these days.

I grew up with the rubbish problems and power outs due to the "Winter of Discontent", then the Tory caused riots in the early 80's; both the unhappily taxed and then the miners; the Falklands War, the massive economical boost of the late 80's (which essentially made this country what it is today and brought us out of along period of wasting and despair really), more riots due to the introduction of the Poll Tax and then into, well, nothingyness. I'm sure there were more things going on, the change from grants to student loans for instance, and it all affected everyone in the country.

These days, it doesn't really matter to anyone who is in power and there's nothing quite so demonstrably "bad" as there used to be. There was the student issue not so long ago, but it tends to be something that people who are politically minded take an interest in (or those who want a barny) as it just doesn't have such a great affect on the day to day living of most people (when Poll Tax was introduced, not only was my grant reduced to practically nothing (frozen for three years I think) and only a £400 allowable loan), but I also had to pay Poll Tax at my parents; it was properly stupid.
 

Snoo

The Legend
Well, as I don't know much about British politics, I tend to align myself with Democrats here in America. I'm quite Liberal compared to many of my fellow citizens.
 

tomahawk

Strata Poster
For American politics, I am on the conservative side, leaning on the very conservative side. So basically polar opposite of Snoo.
 

bmac

Giga Poster
I'm bi-partisan in a political standpoint, in a personal standpoint it's just whoever sucks the least.
 

ECG

East Coast(er) General
Staff member
Administrator
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Christine O'Donnell, Newt Gingrich, Jan Brewer, Sharron Angle, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter & Elisabeth Hasselbeck - NO THANKS!

Liberal democrat right here! :)
 

tks

Strata Poster
furie said:
And don't get me started on cabinet appointments! How can somebody move from say, Ministry of Transport, to become Minister for Health? What education in either of those industries do you have, and how can you run a department you have no working knowledge of? Why are so many large scale projects and service changes cancelled or run over by billions? I suspect a link...

THIS. THIS. THIS. I honestly cannot fathom how one goes from Secretary of Culture to Health Minister overnight. Granted I see the posts as a figurehead for whatever **** department they belong do, but still.. How much confidence do I have about Jeremy C'hunt explaining healthcare reform when he gave Rupert Murdoch a quick nosh behind the bike sheds? None is the answer.

They're all a bunch of posh-privately educated oxbridge toffs. No matter which party you look at.
 

Smithy

Strata Poster
Pretty much anyone but the Tories.

Voted Labour last time (which was futile as this place is full of rich oldies who're staunch Tories) but this time won't bother as I'm pretty much disillusioned with the entire system, the parties, the candidates and the process.

Still, at least we don't have Fox News style coverage.
 

Martyn B

CF Legend
I don't have a specific interest in any party. Like others have said, they're all ****.

Though I can never understand when people say "I will always vote for...." and "I will never vote for....", surely it's all about voting for the party that's policies interest you the most?

And don't even get me onto their expenses!
 

gavin

Moderator
Staff member
Moderator
Social Media Team
Yeah, it's kind of **** in this country in that there's not really a big difference between the main two parties, and, let's face it, the others aren't really worth considering.

I voted Labour last time, though to be honest it was very apathetically and I almost didn't bother since there's not enough to actually care about. As someone with more than a minimum-wage job I'll get shafted financially regardless of who's bending me over.

When it comes to equal rights and other social issues, which I'm more interested in and understand better than economics, there's not a great deal in it really. The Conservatives know that we're evolved enough now to know that any "anti-whatever" policies will be met with almost universal condemnation these days, so they keep things moving slowly forward and focus on other things

I suppose in a way we should be thankful that we live in a country where the likes of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are vilified as the complete jokes of human beings that they are. It scares me that educated people can even hold views like that in 2012, let alone that they come very close to running the world's most powerful country.
 

caffeine_demon

Strata Poster
I'm very much
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The more I think about it, the more I think that there's no difference at all between the parties
 

Snoo

The Legend
gavin said:
I suppose in a way we should be thankful that we live in a country where the likes of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are vilified as the complete jokes of human beings that they are. It scares me that educated people can even hold views like that in 2012, let alone that they come very close to running the world's most powerful country.

Luckily, it's mostly old, living in the Christian 50's Republicans who are dieing off who feel this way.. no offense to Tom of course.
 

tomahawk

Strata Poster
Joey, that is something always has caused me to scratch my head, why do jewish people tend to vote democrat? I know Obama has yet to say once publicly that he supports Israel since he was elected. Hillary has been over there (as it is her job as Secretary of State) but typically you hear a president, regardless of who it is, support Israel.
 
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