Cedar Point | Rougarou | Mantis Floorless Conversion
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Maverix
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While it certainly isn't the best ride in the park, or the best stand-up, it's not a bad ride. While the ride isn't very rough (just a little B&M rattle) the standing position isn't the most comfortable for a coaster. My biggest gripe with it is having shaky legs after riding it but that normally goes away on the walk over to Millennium.
That being said I still think that the conversion will make it a better ride and, at the very least, make the ride more popular with the public. With the (hopeful) removal of the trim on the first drop the first have of the ride should be plenty intense and a heck of a lot more fun.
That being said I still think that the conversion will make it a better ride and, at the very least, make the ride more popular with the public. With the (hopeful) removal of the trim on the first drop the first have of the ride should be plenty intense and a heck of a lot more fun.
therick311
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I'm actually going to miss it as Mantis. I enjoyed it just the way it was. It will probably be decent as a floorless though.
Darren and Maverix are right - it was never that Mantis was bad, but more unpopular. This is true however with the B&M Stand-Up genre in general. To date, only 7 B&M Stand-Ups have ever been constructed; the lowest count of any B&M offerings (e.g. invert, floorless, etc.).Darren B said:
Let's be honest - it isn't the stand-up roller coaster that you stream to first when you visit an amusement park. Mantis gave a good ride, for a stand-up. Adding the floorless trains should boost the ride's draw, providing a more comfortable riding position (and hopefully less stacking due to quicker load times).
roomraider
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Hyde said:
Sitdowns? they only built 5 [/Pedantic]
While i understand why they are doing this it does make me sad. I liked the stand ups I've ridden. Although that doesnt included Mantis. I feel they are a dying breed and I have mixed emotions, kind of like the killing of old woodies to make new RMC's... they're good rides but it feels wrong
IntaminToWin
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I have wished for a while they do this to all their stand-ups. For some reason, a lot of the best B&M layouts were made for the stand-ups, but they are ruined by, well, the weakness of the human knee and spine.
steel
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implode said:
Honestly I liked Iron Wolf more than Mantis. Iron Wolf was rough as hell but it at least didn't blast your knees the way the back half of Mantis does.
Neither of them is a big loss. The saddest thing here imo is the loss of the name Mantis, which I've always thought is one of the best coaster names out there. I will also really miss the bright, bold color scheme. The orange is going to crash terribly with Iron Dragon.
An unfortunate reality however is that many of B&M's stand-up layouts exist at parks with floorless roller coasters. There are only three "big" B&M stand-up designs: Mantis, RR, and Green Lantern; yet only Mantis is at a park without a floorless roller coaster. Obviously could be done with small stand-up designs, though many agree that these smaller designs are rather good as stand-ups. (e.g. Georgia Scorcher)IntaminToWin said:
IntaminToWin
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Hyde said:
I would be completely fine with two floorless rides in one park. It is interesting that most every park, apparently, can only have one type of coaster, except woodies. They can have a dozen of those.
Think of it from a marketing perspective. It is tough to sell the same roller coaster twice to the public who is looking for unique thrill rides at the park. Yes, yes, CW and Carowinds have two B&M Hypers a piece; but even those are respective hyper and giga roller coasters.
For wooden roller coasters, parks will often have varied layouts (traditional out-and-back, twister, racing, etc.) which adds greater variety.
In this spirit, having two inverted roller coasters or two floorless roller coasters can be a bit difficult to market.
For wooden roller coasters, parks will often have varied layouts (traditional out-and-back, twister, racing, etc.) which adds greater variety.
In this spirit, having two inverted roller coasters or two floorless roller coasters can be a bit difficult to market.
^Plus a lot of the parks that have multiple woodies added these in the 70s/80s/90s when there wasn't such a variety of choice or demand for variety.
It's rare (read; not unheard of) for a park to just add woodie after woodie now without mixing it up. Even Holiday World has stopped it.
It's rare (read; not unheard of) for a park to just add woodie after woodie now without mixing it up. Even Holiday World has stopped it.
GuyWithAStick
Captain Basic
Well, there are a few types of coasters that parks have multiple of(SFGAm had 3 inverts, V2, Batman, and Deja Vu at one point, and Kings Dominion has 3 launches).
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KD had four, which was insane.
They do all offer something different - one is an invert, one enclosed and one family. That's not too similar other than the way they pick up speed.
Same could be said for most parks with a few inverts, ones usually adult, one kiddie, maybe a shuttle. But then you have stupid parks that like La Ronde that have an SLC and a B&M and there's just no accounting for all stupidity. You can speak generally though, and generally two rides of the same type are hard to market. Does that mean we'll never see two Floorlesses in the same park? No. Does it make it unlikely and a bit silly if it does happen? Yes.
They do all offer something different - one is an invert, one enclosed and one family. That's not too similar other than the way they pick up speed.
Same could be said for most parks with a few inverts, ones usually adult, one kiddie, maybe a shuttle. But then you have stupid parks that like La Ronde that have an SLC and a B&M and there's just no accounting for all stupidity. You can speak generally though, and generally two rides of the same type are hard to market. Does that mean we'll never see two Floorlesses in the same park? No. Does it make it unlikely and a bit silly if it does happen? Yes.
ava1enzue1a
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Riddler's Revenge was awesome, or at least it was when I rode it 12 years ago. Does it still stand out for a stand-up? No pun intended. But I never knew how they could have been that unpopular with something like Riddler in existence. It's like, comparable to what Alpengeist is for inverts.Hyde said:
A little more on topic, having ridden both Mantis and Riddler, I've always preferred the latter.
^ Riddler is still an amazing ride - one of my top favorite B&Ms. Hands down the best B&M stand-up out there.
However, Riddler is only one ride. Take a look at the rest of the B&M stand-ups; Mantis and Green Lantern are the only other two large stand-ups (both arguably good), followed by a slew of smaller layouts. One good ride will not save an entire genre.
However, Riddler is only one ride. Take a look at the rest of the B&M stand-ups; Mantis and Green Lantern are the only other two large stand-ups (both arguably good), followed by a slew of smaller layouts. One good ride will not save an entire genre.
Antinos
Slut for Spinners
Surprise!
Mantis is officially a thing of the past. Almost the entire ride has been repainted and the trains have been removed from the track. Since nobody took the time to share the newest blog post and the first video in the park's Rougarou Files series, here ya go...because updates:
https://www.cedarpoint.com/blog-article ... arou-Files
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On6XEto4CSo&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
Mantis is officially a thing of the past. Almost the entire ride has been repainted and the trains have been removed from the track. Since nobody took the time to share the newest blog post and the first video in the park's Rougarou Files series, here ya go...because updates:
https://www.cedarpoint.com/blog-article ... arou-Files
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On6XEto4CSo&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]