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Busch Gardens Williamsburg: Project Madrid

Discussion in 'News & Rumours' started by Matt N, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. Matt N

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    Hi guys. Sorry if there's already a thread for this or if this thread is unnecessary, but some of you may know that Busch Gardens Williamsburg filed a 315ft height waiver a year or so ago with the codename "Project Madrid" attached to it. Well, BGWFans has implied that they may have something to reveal about Project Madrid in this tweet:

    I'm excited for tonight's reveal by BGWFans, as they were right about Tempesto and they were right about InvadR, so I trust that whatever they show us is what's coming. But my question is; what's it gonna be? As BGWFans is hyping it up so much, and because of the 315ft height waiver, I'm personally going to take a stab in the dark and guess that BGW will be receiving a B&M giga coaster with a Spanish theme, alongside a possible Spain themed area. As for when, I'm personally guessing 2020, as the park is apparently getting an S&S Screamin Swing in Ireland in 2019. But what do you guys reckon? I'm personally staying tuned for BGWFans' reveal tonight; exciting times are ahead at BGW, in my opinion!
     
  2. Pokemaniac

    Pokemaniac Mountain monkey Staff Member Administrator Moderator Social Media Team

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    By a glance at their recent additions, BGW doesn't really strike me as being in the financial position to shell out for a Giga. It's not like its parent company, Sea World, doesn't have other parks in more dire need of new rides either. My uninformed vibe goes more along the line of a tower ride, but we shall see. At that height, almot anything would be exciting.
     
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    I have heard people say about a Star Flyer, but from what BGWFans already has about Project Madrid prior to today, the area that it will occupy looks quite big to me. Part of it looks to occupy the former Drachen Fire plot from what I can see on BGWFans' website. I'll try and find a link in a second...
    EDIT: Here you go! A link about everything that BGWFans currently has regarding Project Madrid: https://bgwfans.com/project-madrid/
     
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    Okay, so who are they buying the giga from?
     
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    Wait.. so what you're saying is that they're RMCing Apollos Chariot?
     
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    If it starts out in the old Drachen Fire area and heads over to where those new permits show (on that link) then it does looks pretty big. But if its just in the area on that link, then it doesn't look that big at all?
     
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    B&M giga - nice, but oh so expensive. For that sort of money they could add significant attractions in 2 or 3 other parks in the chain that are far more in need of investment than BGW.
    Massive Starflyer - feasible, I guess, but with a Windseeker just up the road at Kings Dominion it might be a bit too 'samey' for a new headline ride.
    Therefore my money is on a drop tower, probably a tilting one like Falcon's Fury at BGT, with the rest of the space outlined on those^ links being used for a new themed area.
    Let's face it, the drop tower they already have is a bit naff, so a high-tech upgrade would be a good fit. Maybe...
     
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    They (BGWFans) seem to have determined that it's probably a coaster, though, as footers can apparently be spotted in the application. I agree with you that an FF-style drop tower would fit well in BGW, though. Well, an Intamin Sky Jump would be great anywhere, because Falcon's Fury is amazing, in my opinion; my personal favourite drop tower!
     
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    They wouldn't buy another drop tower after Mack Tower. Doubtful.

    I do think that it will more than likely end up a coaster - I just don't see it being a Giga in that space?
     
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    We're clearly getting Son of Beast II so why not have Drachen Fire II as well!?

     
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    Intriguing stuff, will be interesting to find out what it is. Although with an expected 2020 opening we probably won't know for certain for a while, or how early do Busch announce things?

    Had read ages ago some rumours of it being from Intamin. One even suggesting it would be a launch/accelerator coaster.
     
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    That would be just what the park needs to compliment it's lineup so yes please! (Intamin launcher please!)
     
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    The article itself states:

    "The park was granted a height waiver for 315 feet above grade. If this coaster reaches that height and dives into the Rhine River’s ravine, the first drop on this attraction could be truly monumental."

    So I really can't see this being anything other than a giga.
     
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    Maybe it could be something like Red Force at Ferrari Land, if an Intamin launch coaster is rumoured? The only spanner in the works there, though, is that BGW apparently don't work with Intamin after issues they encountered with Escape from Pompeii, which is apparently why Mach Tower is a Moser and Verbolten is a Zierer. So maybe an S&S compressed air launch coaster, like the Bullet Coasters at Happy Valley parks, but 315ft tall, would be a good fit? I've heard that the company's Chinese launch coasters are supposed to be brilliant, and I would also imagine that it would cost a lot less than a ride from a company like Intamin, which is good for a company like SeaWorld, who aren't in the best of financial states at the moment from what I can tell.

    Or maybe this might not be a launch coaster at all, as BGW already has 2; both of which are relatively modern. In that case, a giga would be an obvious option, in my opinion. A B&M would be nice, but I don't know if it would be a bit too costly for SeaWorld. BGW apparently don't work with Intamin and I'm not sure if Morgan would build them a giga coaster anymore, so that's all the current manufacturers who have built giga coasters ruled out. On a random note, does Morgan even still exist as a company?

    So maybe we'll see a giga from a company who's never built one before. My personal top two contenders for this would be Mack and Vekoma. Now let me explain why. Mack Rides have built 3 hypercoasters, and I could imagine that this hardware is easily transferable to a giga coaster. Vekoma have not yet built a hyper coaster, but they did propose a hyper to Energylandia, so they're clearly interested in building a ride of that scale. Also, a giga at BGW could potentially be the ride that Vekoma needs to accelerate itself back onto the US coaster scene. They've proven that they can build a decent coaster with rides like Lech Coaster, so I can imagine that a Vekoma giga coaster would be quite well received. I'd imagine Vekoma are also a fair bit cheaper than the likes of B&M, Intamin and Mack, so it would be a decent, but also budget-friendly gateway into the world of giga coasters for BGW, in my opinion.

    I'm not necessarily ruling out B&M or Intamin, though. SeaWorld built Mako for SeaWorld Orlando in 2016, so the budget might well be there for a B&M giga. Intamin have built many rides for other SeaWorld parks, and Pompeii opened nearly 10 years ago (I think?), so it wouldn't surprise me if BGW were willing to reconcile with Intamin.
    P.S. Sorry for long post. Also, sorry if any of the ideas I've suggested are a little too outlandish.
     
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    Haven't rumors hinted towards a Spain themed area for a while now? I'm sure a new area will have some sort of coaster in it, but I can't see them affording a giga to go along with an expansion. I'd love to be wrong, but I'd bet on this being a Starflyer or some sort of tower ride.
     
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    What about a sort of Kärnan-esque coaster with a vertical lifthill and nearly equally vertical drop? Enclosing the lift hill in a tower and slapping a spire on it could bring the total height up towards the 315 feet ceiling, while keeping the footprint of the first hill relatively small. Meanwhile, Gerstlauer probably isn't as expensive as Intamin or B&M.
     
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    I’d say this is the most likely outcome. Tower ride with a smaller coaster. Looking at an aerial view of BG, the length of the plot of land is pretty much the same length as Apollo’s Chariot’s turn around after the final brake run to the top of the lift hill. Unless they do something like as has been mentioned like a launch coaster or something creative I don’t see how they fit a giga in there.
     
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    Confirmed[​IMG]

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